V1 (covering us, with approximately ~$1800) is an aggressive Latino player, one of the biggest action players in the casino. He's the kind of guy you want at your table. However, he's not really bad. Sometimes he can play reasonably and make folds because he thinks you're good and his top pair isn't enough. He usually opens big preflop, sometimes $25-30 or even up to $50. He spews preflop but plays tight/reasonable postflop.

V2 is an average 5/5 reg, and I don't know much about him. He's not really good.

V3 is an old man, a recreational player.

Hero on BB with 6 4
~1000$ stack

V1 from UTG opens to $15
V2 from UTG+2 calls
V3 From HiJack calls
another player calls from BU, SB calls and hero calls

Flop($90) T 8 4

V1 bets $60, V2 calls, V3 calls, hero calls

Turn($330) 2

Hero checks, V1 checks, V2 checks, V3 - shoves all in for ~$300, Hero(about $925 left) - ???

Older rec players overcall suited Aces all of the time vs 3betting them, even good Aces. I don't see how we're good here when a short-stacking (~75bb) version of those shoves pot on a flushing turn. Are they ever bluffing enough when they do this into 3 people? Granted, everyone checked ahead of V3 when it came in.

If you do think V3's feisty, are you calling, or are you raising to make V1&V2 make a mistake in trying to hit their higher flush or a boat?

If I call and either V1 or V2 calls as well, the pot will be $1500 and we'll have $600 left. Are we basically just planning to check-fold the river? Is that our plan? Or can we just shove here?

Flop is a head scratcher. Although just calling is perfectly reasonable given pot odds and your additional 6 and 4 outs, a check-raise might well drive out the players in the middle with their Tx, King-high flush draws and so on. You can have all the big hands including T8o and 84s. UTG might feel the heat straight away with an overpair (if they have the nut flush draw so be it).

Unless HJ just blasts off with J9 here, I can't see any hands you beat. The others are folding unless they've got a flush or something like AAd. Sure you could jam to deny equity to someone with 88, but you've still got to beat the HJ.

Fairly standard up to the turn.

Turn is a shove or fold spot.
Personally, I'd shove at this stack depth.
I understanda that V3 is an old recreational player, but does this mean that he's a huge nit? Not necessarily, imo.

These spots where we flop well with low-middling SC's need to be played either very aggressively or very defensively. Here, we should either donk bet big / check-raise huge on flop, or fold turn to any aggression.

AP, and just looking at card removal, I don't see how you can ever be good here. Easy fold.

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I fold pre but that's just me.


I prefer to call a raise pre if I'm IP after multiple callers not OOP. I would prefer to call with A2s instead.

I would never fold pre in this spot.

Why would we check fold river on anything but another D or a board-pair? We are assuming V3 is bluffing/semi-bluffing if we call this turn shove, right? If V1 and V2 also call turn trying to hit their draws and they miss, we've made more money vs shoving turn and having them correctly fold everything we're already beating. If one of them has the flush already on the turn, I guess it's a cooler.

Also, if H calls turn, then V1 or V2 decides to shove, H doesn't lose their entire stack vs H shoving first. Vs aren't bluffing into a dry side pot unless they think they can beat V3 and H can fold a flush. Which seems ambitious.

But I doubt we're beating V3, so I fold here.

V1 typically raises to $20-25 or even $50 preflop, but this time it was only $15.

V3 seemed quite nervous, quickly pushing chips with shaking hands. Does this mean anything?



V1 tanks for a while and checks... V2 checks... and then V3 quickly puts all his chips in and pronounces "All-In." So the whole action was slow, and only this guy acted fast.

Your thoughts are quite interesting. I wasn't scared of V3. During the hand my focus was mainly on V1 and V2. I felt confident that I had V3 beat. However, the more I read the topic, the more I realize that folding here could indeed be the right move.

The only worse flush is 53.

Maybe the old man shows up with a worse hand that he's massively over-playing now, but if he was slow-playing a big PP pre, or if he smashed the flop with a set, I'd expect him to make his big move on the two-tone flop, not now that his big PP's are likely beat, and only made hands can call his jam.

He's old. He's a rec. It's multi-way. He over-called a UTG raise pre, and flat called a flop c-bet. Now he's jamming a pot sized stack on a third diamond, and we have the second worst flush possible.

How often do we think we'll win here? 10% of the time, maybe?



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