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Hero co XY open 15
BTN bad reg 45
Sb fish call
Bb fish call
Hero?

What hands do we call?
What hands do we jam?

“Bad” in what way?

Can we not 4-bet less than a jam?

I guess you could have some 4bet/folds at like 160?
Gonna be pretty painful tho and I think you probably go 4 ways more than you want

Idk he’s just bad. Unstudied. Probably 3betting a lot and not prepared for a 4bet. Etc

ive gone back and forth on this but the math for a 4b jam looks pretty similar to me from a risk / reward stand point if you open 100 bb and he 3bs and no one else is involved

No way.

If we open to 3bb, BTN goes 9bb, then at 100 bb we Risk 97 to win 13.5. That’s 7:1

At 150bb we risk 147 to win 30. That’s 5:1

the math for those look pretty similar to me, especially if you give the blinds a non neglible chance of calling if you 4 (i think its less than 10% but greater than 0). probably the biggest difference is its harder for him to go with something like TT bc of added stack depth but the required fold equity to jam laying 7:1 as opposed to 5:1 is less than a 5% difference

You have to work out what his 3bet-fold, 3bet-call, and 3bet-jam range look like. And you need to have an idea of what he calls your 4bet with. Rake structure matters too.

Also, you are supposed to be 3betting a ton BU vs CO, hr may not even 3bet enough. Look at GTO Wizard 9 handed 150bb deep, 10% 2bb rake cap, 3x open CO vs BU, 3x 3b:



And this is your response 4betting 28.5bb



His is his response to 4bet:



And your response to 5bet jam:



When figuring out what to 4bet, you should think about blockers, equity retention, and playability postflop.

Blockers are fairly simple. You want to unblock hands that will fold and block hands that continue. A is going to be the most important blocker to have followed closely by K. In a nutshell, this is because you block AA, KK, and AK. You also want your kicker to unblock folds. A5s and A4s unblock lots of folds that contain a J through 6.

Equity retention is about folding out hands that have you dominated while keeping in hands you are live against and even sometimes hands you are ahead of. For example, A5s should fold out AJo, ATo, most AQo, and A6s-A8s which dominate us. But it can keep in hands like KQs which we are ahead of. In other words, when we get called, we aren't just isolating villain to a range so strong it destroys us.

Playability postflop means you have hands that flop well. If they flop a pair it tends to be pretty strong, like AQo. They also tend to be suited and connected so they flop draws or can turn equity, so other than high pairs, AQo, and AKo+ (some worse hands in really late configuration like BvB, BU vs SB, BU vs BB), most of 4bets are going to be suited and have some connectivity.

You should take a look at the GTO ranges, compare those to villain, and adjust accordingly. Is villain going to 3bet KQo, AQo, and AJo and then call a 4bet with those hands? Then you probably want to 4bet more linearly like TT+, AQo+, AJs+, KQs. Hands like A5s, A4s, KTs, go down a lot in value when villain doesn't fold to 4bet properly since their equity retention is not as strong. Hands that dominate them aren't folding enough.

On the other hand, if villain is 3betting very wide and over-folding to 4bet, we should go nuts with our 4bets.

If villain 3bets much tighter than GTO, we should overfold to 3bets and not 4bet very much.

So you have to mentally construct villain's 3bet fold and 3bet continue range. Remember there are way more offsuit combos than suited combos. If he 3bet folds AQo, KQo, QJo, then think KJs, AJs, A5s, A4s. If he is 3bet folding pure with ATo, KTo, QJo, JTo, maybe we 4bet more A9s, K9s, JTs. Unblock his offsuit folds and/or 4bet suited hands that are dominated by his offsuit hands that he folds, but playable vs his continue range.

Probably jam YZ and AB.

Call BC DE.

Lol

Should we also be thinking about SB/BB who are both still in the hand?

Ok I totally missed that. Yes we need to think about that as well. We need to assess their range and if they are ever going to cold call a 3bet then call a 4bet, and what that range looks like. If they are going to still call the 4bet a ton, then we want to go more linear like AQo+, AQs+, JJ+. If they will fold a ton to 4bet, then we can stay polar.

I think we can also call decently wide here with slightly speculative hands, low-mid PPs, suited aces, suited connectors. When we're this deep vs two fish and a bad reg, when we do hit, we have a better chance to get paid off.

We're getting 5:1 on a call with relative position on the flop. Depending on how wide you open from the CO there might not be many hands that want to fold here.

Yeah I guess depends how is the reg bad and what does his 3bet look like and how does he react to a 4bet.

But yeah I'm probably 4 betting fairly polar.

So value is like QQ+, AK, bluffing AQo, KQo.

Probably calling most of the suited Aces through AQs, KQs, and pocket pairs JJ and below.

If SB/BB double flat it’s gonna be 99/TT/JJ or AKo

If BTN calls it’s gonna be JJ+/AK

So I think jamming JJ+ AK AQo AJo KQo A5s A4s
And flatting hands that play better MW: 22-TT, AQs-A2s, BWs

Well, that is the conventional wisdom, but the reality is getting really good odds is substantially negated by the fact that we have to beat 2 players. But the presence of fish who will make huge mistakes postflop can bring us in the hand. I think we can call with suited connectors/broadways/AXs thar we aren't 4betting. But the bottom of our CO open range like KJo, QJo, JTo, ATo, K8s, etc we can probably still fold despite getting good odds.

I think AA wants to 4bet less than all in like 180. KK is close between jamming and 4betting 180. AKo definitely lean towards jamming. QQ, JJ probably lean towards jamming. AKs jam or 4bet less than all in are fine. Bet folds are going to be some stuff like A5s, A4s. At this depth with two fish I probably lean towards calling with hands like AQo and AQs.

Jamming AQo, KQo, etc is torching money this deep though. I mean, yes I have made moves 4bet jamming hands like A4s vs villains who are 3betting too wide, and maybe I was torching money then even though it was shallower. But you have to realize you are 150bb deep, and villain can just have AK, JJ+ and have you crushed. At sub 50bb, like when the straddle reduces the effective blinds, then I think we can make moves a lot more with weaker A high and K high hands. When we are 150 deep, villain only has to have it a small portion of the time to wreck us on a 4bet jam.

BTN has so many more bet/folds than JJ+/AK tho, and even when he does A5s gonna have 30% of an inflated pot.

We just capture 30bb X%

And pay 147bb to have 30% of a 320bb pot Y%

So that’s losing 50bb vs winning 30bb?

We need BTN to fold 5:3

(AQo gonna be 27%, AJo/KQo gonna be 25%)