9-handed

UTG: ~$500
EP: ~$1200
CO (Hero): ~$650

UTG straddles to $10, EP raises to $40, Hero 3bets to $120 with A A, UTG and EP call.

Surprised that UTG called. He's LAP. Usually, 3bet cold-calls like this is TT/JJ/AK, sometimes also QQ.

EP is between TAG and LAG. He won't have KK+ now.

Hero is on the tighter side of TAG, but this is my second 3bet in about 4 hands. I won that hand uncontested.

Flop ($360): K Q T

Checks to Hero. Best play?

What a disgusting flop... I mean, in game I probably b/call $240 and hate my life.. but I guess you could c/back and soulread turn.

Check back, flop is awful for our AA, betting here doesn't accomplish anything. Turn plan is to fold to a bet unimproved and continuing to check the hand down.

bet $150 or 200

There's no such thing as an awful flop when SPR is 1.4:1 and you have AA.

While this would be a check back if stacks were all 2k, this is def not a check back here. We still stack AK AQ JJ and have 6+ if behind. Just bet an amount that wouldn't make AQ fold.

This is lollivepoker, UTG could have JTs

Ordinarily, I would agree with you, but if there's one flop I would consider awful for AA in a 3bet pot, it's this one...especially when it's 3-handed.

QQ and TT are highly possible, JJ has a ton of equity as does JT, and if JT is possible, then KQ is also possible. AQ is unlikely to stack off and the only good news is that AJ is unlikely to call pre. This flop just smacks UTG's 3bet cold-call range, as well as EP's PFR/call range.

I'm never happy playing for stacks in this spot, even though there's almost no way around it.

if we check this back are we ever folding the turn????

meh hating life here, the fact that we have AA really cuts down on combos of AK,AQ they can have and those are really the only hands we are hoping to see/have any value vs here.

options are to bet/call flop or check and hope to make a good decision on the turn.

I think this amount is like $20.

I have no idea what to do on the actual hand. Would either of these opponents check a set on this flop?

check behind, b/c is never very good here, so many combinations of sets 2pr that beat us, were way ahead of combo draws since we have blockers but i have just seen this situation too many times and they never flip over the combo draw they flip over the made hand, if there was a fd id b/c.

I don't agree this flop is gross. Like it is obviously a flop where people flop a set a decent % but there are still only 9 set combos and 6 combs of AK.

When you factor in

1. Dead money
2. Our equity against sets
3. Other random hands

I think b/c is the best line by some way.

Quesuerte, I know there are not a ton of set combos, but is AK actually moving in here? Doesn't AK worry about sets too?

J10 is worried about AJs... ,KK,QQ,1010 are all woried about AJ,J10

i think i bet 130-175 here with b/f in mind

Not that I think b/c is wrong here against the initial raiser, but I think it is worth noting that we can't expect any of the money in this pot to be dead. I think it is mostly live most of the time.

dont we think every hand here is affraid of the better hand ? even AJ is worried the board pairs

Check it back. You are probably behind, and if so you have six clean outs to catch up. I think UTG folds AQ pre. Maybe EP does too. I don't think you'll fold EP off a set given SPR's especially if he underrepped with his check. (There is no reason for him not to be checking a set.)

I think we can actually play pretty well by checking the flop. If we check the flop, do we really think either player is going to check the turn on this texture (assuming a low card <9) with 2-pair+? Almost never, unless they're sitting there with bottom set and are absolutely scared ****less of us having top/middle set (unlikely) or just have no idea how to slow-play properly. If they both check to us OTT, I'd expect to be good most of the time, but I also expect to be able to get a call from AK/AQ/KJ/JJ that might make a hero fold OTF (I mean, if they are competent at all, they know they beat nothing and are drawing super thin with these hands).

We can make a small turn bet to fold out hands with random equity/get called by some AK type hands, and I guess even though I don't expect either of them to check twice with two-pair+, we probably have to fold to a shove since I think they almost never will c/shove worse than AA OTT when we have tons of sets in our range (and of course, they don't have a ton of hands that are air to begin with that could semi-bluff us aside from Jx where x = pair, really). Then we c/back the river.

If we bet the flop, I think we almost have to call a ship because we have enough equity vs. their range/having 6 outs, though obviously we're pretty crushed by their get-it-in-OTF range, so we can eliminate this by checking. We also probably have to ship a lot of turns when we bet the flop since we have to bet more OTF than we do OTT to protect our hand (they have more equity) and will have such a low SPR OTT that we have no choice. We just can't bet/fold with 2 cards to come OTF, but I think we can b/fold smaller OTT with 1 card to come because we have less equity and don't have to push quite so hard... And of course, we get the benefit of seeing what the other villain does if the initial villain bets, and of course any bet/call from villains makes our decision super easy.

but dont you think if we check this flop were going to give middle set which is probablly the winner a dose ofcourage whereas right now he's shaking in his boots and a descent 1/2 to 2/3 PSB might make the better hand go ahead and lay it down right here ?

anyone who thinks the A is an out is an idiot. are you really throwing more money in on an A? i'm not happy about seeing that. yes, it makes my hand stronger but it completes the straight. come on. i'm looking to hit a J here knowing it will probably be a chopped pot. runner runner A 10 would be really nice.

Yeah, money already in the pot is a far more accurate description.

I agree with your logic on the flop 100%. I don't think worse calls, and I don't think better folds. Betting makes no sense to me.

If you give each Villian a range like JJ+,AKs,AKo we're not the favorite on the flop.

My question is about your comment on the turn: We bet the turn for value thinking worse calls, to turn our hand into a bluff, or for some other reason?

I had a very similar hand live a month or so ago. MP leads and I reraise with AA in LP and got flatted by BB and MP.

Flop KQT - 2 tone

Checked around.

History with BB is that he cbets big and often and also gets involved in huge pots OOP with TPTK, 2p, on very draw-heavy/completed boards. He typically reloads often before rage-quitting, or walks away after winning a huge pot.

Turn blank.

BB checks, MP checks, I lead for 1/2-2/3 pot (just remember it was $60 at 2/3 and there was prob $100ish after rake) OTT. I'm worried about sets and 2p, but also think that a set doesn't get checked on a board like this and I discount AK, AQ, AJ, AT because I have 2 of the Aces. BB raises to $120 leaving about $100 behind, MP folds, and I have $200+. I shipped, he called and turned over AJs for straight and nut flush draw. The J didn't come for a chop and he took the pot.

Not trying to hijack at all. This was before I started posting hand histories and have been really curious if I just spewed or not. The responses to OP are very helpful as I was in an almost identical situation and don't know if I played it bad.

OP, what ended up happening?

We are committed. That doesn't mean we bet.

We still want to widen villain ranges, and with this SPR we can get all the money in turn/river. There are almost no bad cards that can come on the turn.

Check back. Bet $225 on the turn, shove river. You still get stacked by better, but now worse more likely to pay you off.