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5/5/10 NL - Crazy, Genius or Punt Turn Jam? 5/5/10 NL - Crazy, Genius or Punt Turn Jam?

06-07-2023 , 09:27 AM
Take down the tone a notch all. Everybody Love Everybody.
06-07-2023 , 09:31 AM
Are you bluffing on the turn or is this for value?
06-07-2023 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bclouddd
The **** you talking about? Who said I'm proud of the hand? Do you even play poker cause it sounds like you're a bit jealous here.
You ran a big bluff and won, why wouldn't you be proud of it? And no I'm no jealous. Why would I be?

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Originally Posted by Bclouddd
It's a big unconveentional play. If you dont undersrand it that's fine. Whether it's bad or good is up for discussion but sayimg its "lighting on fire" because it's 400BB's? This is scared poker and you'll never get better if you don't even consider this might have been correct.
No, it's not scared poker if I'm not willing to bluff an unknown with a 400 bb stack. It's smart poker.

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Originally Posted by Bclouddd

And literally dont come at me about deceptive tactics. Seems you (and others) are pretty poor understanding that there was 0 intention here and V got over it rather quickly. Why can't you get through your head that this is a nothingburger and instead focus on why this was a bad shove, which you have failed miserably at doing since your only reply is "too big".
I told you why it was a bad shove - he's an unknown. We do these things when we're confident his range isn't strong but this guy showed you the complete opposite with a big c/r otf vs multiple opponents, and "two short sessions" isn't really enough history to know him too well.
06-07-2023 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
Are you bluffing on the turn or is this for value?
In-game, I honestly didn't know. Holding 88, V wasn't likely betting pot with the nuts (89) so it felt more bluffy than value. I figured jamming would knock out any soft 10 and at the same time gain value vs naked flush draws. I also liked the fact I still had several outs to the absolute nuts, plus a possibility of others due to counterfeiting.

Hands we're crushed against are only 66 and 44. That's four total combinations. I didn't know exact odds vs 64 at the time, but knew if that's what V had I would still be pretty live. I know 35s gets there but I just couldn't range V to play this hand. So I figured since the 7 didn't help him and I don't know what cards I'm check-calling river when I don't improve, it was better to get it in now to possibly gain some fold equity.

I know some people here think that two sessions isn't enough to really know an opponent, but I disagree with this statement entirely. I had seen V bluff and lose enough hands to at least know he was capable of having air here. IMO after my flop call, I'm pretty much committed and it's now a question whether I should ch/c, ch/c or get it in now.
06-07-2023 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
You ran a big bluff and won, why wouldn't you be proud of it? And no I'm no jealous. Why would I be?
It wasn't a bluff and results don't matter. You really need to take a step back and think before responding

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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
No, it's not scared poker if I'm not willing to bluff an unknown with a 400 bb stack. It's smart poker.
Again not a bluff and if you're not willing to sit with the max and GII with small edges against perceived bad opponents, then yes it is scared poker. I find it ironic that I'm explaining this to you as your screenname is "PlayBig". [/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
I told you why it was a bad shove - he's an unknown. We do these things when we're confident his range isn't strong but this guy showed you the complete opposite with a big c/r otf vs multiple opponents, and "two short sessions" isn't really enough history to know him too well.
He is not an unknown. Just because I don't have years of experience vs a V doesn't mean I can't range him and make logical assumptions based on his current play. Have you ever played a poker tournament or sat down at a casino RG full of unknowns and made adjustments per that session? C'mon bro. Saying a shove is bad because we don't have enough experience with V is straight up trash and a copout. Be better.
06-07-2023 , 11:29 AM
Too much heat, not enough light. Going to lock this up.
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