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5/5/10 3 ways as preflop caller 3bet pot T98 2 tone with middle set 5/5/10 3 ways as preflop caller 3bet pot T98 2 tone with middle set

03-13-2024 , 02:26 AM
V1 is a very splashy rec who has an extremely wide range that limps and then cold calls 3bets. I would guess KJo+, JTo+, lots of suited bad hands. But he usually open raises pocket pairs, AQo+, maybe AJo, ATs, KTs+, etc. 4k stack.

V2 is a pretty good aggressive reg. On the tighter side, but 3bets suited connectors also. 4k stack.

Hero is effective stack with 2,650. Aggressive pro image.

Folds to V1 limps 10 in CO, hero raises 50 on button with 9h9s, v2 raises to 200 in SB, folds to v1 who now calls, hero calls.

Flop 615 Td9d8h, checks to hero, hero bets $150, v2 calls, v1 raises to $850. Hero has 2,300 behind. Hero?
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03-13-2024 , 02:56 AM
Can either shove now, or call and shove turn if flush / K doesn’t complete. Both seem fine to me.
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03-13-2024 , 03:07 AM
I like jamming when he c/raises to that huge sizing, dont really see the need to slow play here.
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03-13-2024 , 03:32 AM
nightmare line to face tbh but you cant fold. dont think calling really sucks sb in unless he has v good equity so i kind of lean towards just jamming

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03-13-2024 , 05:07 AM
Yeah I guess I shove and say my prayers.
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03-13-2024 , 08:23 AM
If V1 usually opens pocket pairs, it would seem less likely we're ahead of 88 or behind TT. We double block T9 and 98.

QJ and 76 would seem to be his most likely holdings here, unless we've seen this guy play his flush draws/combo draws this way.

A8dd maybe?

I dunno, man. I hate the thought of folding middle set here, but I also hate paying off big bets/raises/check-raises from bad recs. It seems to me that they're more likely to call too wide than to check-raise too light. This feels pretty nutted.

Think I might find a fold.

Last edited by docvail; 03-13-2024 at 08:32 AM.
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03-13-2024 , 09:28 AM
Well this sucks. What do you know about the splashy rec? Like there are some very splashy recs I play with that will call with all sorts of trash, but they would never play a combo draw or 2pair this way and they would only have straights here. If you dont know for sure I would just jam and get V2 to fold his equity in case he has something like KJdd and if V1 has it we can boat up hopefully.
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03-13-2024 , 12:15 PM
I have seen villain put in tons of money all in with combo draws. Also I have seen him check raise with top pair or even middle pair especially facing a small bet. Villain is capable of huge spazzes/bluffs that don't make a ton of sense. Like check call two streets with AQ high no draw and donk jam the river huge with A high. This game on this day of the week is semi-built around this player.
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03-13-2024 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
I have seen villain put in tons of money all in with combo draws. Also I have seen him check raise with top pair or even middle pair especially facing a small bet. Villain is capable of huge spazzes/bluffs that don't make a ton of sense. Like check call two streets with AQ high no draw and donk jam the river huge with A high. This game on this day of the week is semi-built around this player.
With this read, just shove now.
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03-13-2024 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
I have seen villain put in tons of money all in with combo draws. Also I have seen him check raise with top pair or even middle pair especially facing a small bet. Villain is capable of huge spazzes/bluffs that don't make a ton of sense. Like check call two streets with AQ high no draw and donk jam the river huge with A high. This game on this day of the week is semi-built around this player.
In that case shove is easy. Unfortunately sometimes he has it
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03-13-2024 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fleavis21
Can either shove now, or call and shove turn if flush / K doesn’t complete. Both seem fine to me.
what do ya mean k
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03-13-2024 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
I have seen villain put in tons of money all in with combo draws. Also I have seen him check raise with top pair or even middle pair especially facing a small bet. Villain is capable of huge spazzes/bluffs that don't make a ton of sense. Like check call two streets with AQ high no draw and donk jam the river huge with A high. This game on this day of the week is semi-built around this player.
This would be helpful if it was in the OP. Originally I would say to fold, because players don't really do this in 3 way 3 bet pots without a straight but seeing that he's capable of much less, I would have to call here and still pray the board pairs up just in case.
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03-13-2024 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
I have seen villain put in tons of money all in with combo draws. Also I have seen him check raise with top pair or even middle pair especially facing a small bet. Villain is capable of huge spazzes/bluffs that don't make a ton of sense. Like check call two streets with AQ high no draw and donk jam the river huge with A high. This game on this day of the week is semi-built around this player.
Damn bro. With this read, my money was in before his.

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03-13-2024 , 01:27 PM
My thought is, if v is ever weak here raising lile AT or something like that, do we fold out a lot of worse hands that would continue if we jam?
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03-13-2024 , 02:29 PM
i mean how much of those reads apply here? have you seen him have the option to stab sandwiched in a 3b pot and then xr squeeze vs a stab ip and the preflop 3bettor check calling vs a small bet? or is it someone bet small in a srp and he xr tp / mp? id be inclined to imagine its much more heavily weighted towards the second one. just dont think people run this here without enough equity that you're pretty close to indifferent after you jam. just doesn't seem like a spot people blow up although from tone of the post / your follow it seems like he xr / folded. there's just going to be a ton of hands hes going to feel compelled to go with after xring to this size, hes getting slightly better than 2:1

Last edited by submersible; 03-13-2024 at 02:37 PM.
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03-13-2024 , 03:08 PM
Given reads he doesnÂ’t have a set. If he has a straight we have outs, if he has a combo draw we are printing.

I think your question is whether to call or gii. Both options have merit. I think I just jam and force him to pay for 2 cards if heÂ’s behind.
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03-13-2024 , 03:14 PM
I agree with OmahaDonk about jamming. I didn't look back at stacks when I said I call. I would hate to call and tank on a flush/straight completing turn.

I also agree with submersible's points about his read. When we're in a big multiway 3 bet pot, people don't usually do the same things they would do in a SRP (by far).
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03-13-2024 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
My thought is, if v is ever weak here raising lile AT or something like that, do we fold out a lot of worse hands that would continue if we jam?
The problem is half the deck will kill your action on the turn if he has a strong overpair and willing to go AI on the flop
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03-13-2024 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
My thought is, if v is ever weak here raising lile AT or something like that, do we fold out a lot of worse hands that would continue if we jam?
I admit I'm sometimes chicken-$hlt in spots like this, so take this FWIW...

Our hand is strong, but only going to improve about 40% of the time, if we see all five cards. A lot of turns are going to suck, especially if we're still 3 peeps when we get there. If we know it's going to be all but impossible for us to fold on anything but a four-flush/four-straight run-out, I think I want to raise now, if only to push V2 out of the car, and get this HU with V1.

We're not deep enough to raise anything less than all-in, so we might as well jam and pray.

For the same reason I don't want to risk letting an opponent catch up when I've got a strong but vulnerable hand, V1 could be doing this with a worse hand for value, worrying about you or V2 being on a draw.

If you jam, and either opponent already has you beat, we still have a 40% chance to boat up. If we fold out the dumb end of the straight, that's awesome. If we fold out a lot of hands we were beating, so be it. Worse value hands that will call seem at least as likely as better hands that will send us a gift basket for jamming.

If you jam, it'll be for more than half of their stacks. V2's going to spend a minute thinking about he'll be pot-committed to over-jam the rest, and the split equities from having to beat you in the main pot and V1 in the side pot if his hand is no good or he doesn't get there. He should know you're not jamming here as a bluff very often, if ever.

So...jam. Hope V2 folds. Hope V1 didn't just bink the Mlark lottery.
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03-14-2024 , 01:58 PM
Seems like easy shove. If he has a set, it seems more likely 88 than TT, since he limped and cold called a 3!. If he has a straight, you are 34% or whatever.

Is 1/4 pot standard initial sizing? I would go more than half pot on the very wet board.
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03-15-2024 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
I have seen villain put in tons of money all in with combo draws. Also I have seen him check raise with top pair or even middle pair especially facing a small bet. Villain is capable of huge spazzes/bluffs that don't make a ton of sense. Like check call two streets with AQ high no draw and donk jam the river huge with A high. This game on this day of the week is semi-built around this player.
Everyone saying jam is insane with this read. You guys wanna fold our his bluffs and spazzes, just to get called by the draws everyone is so scared of? Call and let him jam turn, I dont care how draw heavy the board is, why would you fold out his top and middle pairs?

Hell, im probably calling his turn jam unless it comes straight AND flush card (or if the other V stays in)
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03-15-2024 , 09:40 AM
If we just call, we have only $1,450 behind, and it might entice V2 to come along. Even w/o V2, the pot would be $2,460.

Would really suck to fold the best hand on the turn or have him check the turn, but I guess we shove then? I just gii now. I'm happy to take what's in the pot if he folds (vs. folding the best hand or letting V2 come along and suck out on us).

Last edited by Javanewt; 03-15-2024 at 09:48 AM.
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03-15-2024 , 09:53 AM
I don't like flat calling on the hyper-wet board 3-way. Would be just terrible for him to raise/fold that sizing on this board or raise that size without at least 2-pair or a strong draw.

His sizing is not top pair. He has a big hand he is trying to protect or a strong draw.

You have to gii. At worst, you have outs against a straight. It is pretty unlikely he has TT, given the initial limp.
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03-19-2024 , 11:31 AM
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we jam, V2 tanks a little and folds, v1 tank folds. When he was tanking, he asked, "AdKd? AT? He kept asking if I had AT making it seem like he had a T.

We saw a runout which came 8dJc so I would have boated up while a flush got there on the turn and 4 to a straight came on the river. Didn't get a great read on how villain felt about the runout.

My thinking at the time was that I can get called by worse, particularly combo draws, maybe 88 although I don't think he limps, possibly 2p, pair plus draw type hands, maybe even as light as Tx. I also figured there would be so many action killing cards on turns and rivers, and if I am behind, I get to realize my equity by jamming. And I could certainly do this with straights and combo draws.

Not not sure I made the highest EV play given history with villain, but my play can't have been too bad.
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03-19-2024 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
Spoiler:
we jam, V2 tanks a little and folds, v1 tank folds. When he was tanking, he asked, "AdKd? AT? He kept asking if I had AT making it seem like he had a T.

We saw a runout which came 8dJc so I would have boated up while a flush got there on the turn and 4 to a straight came on the river. Didn't get a great read on how villain felt about the runout.

My thinking at the time was that I can get called by worse, particularly combo draws, maybe 88 although I don't think he limps, possibly 2p, pair plus draw type hands, maybe even as light as Tx. I also figured there would be so many action killing cards on turns and rivers, and if I am behind, I get to realize my equity by jamming. And I could certainly do this with straights and combo draws.

Not not sure I made the highest EV play given history with villain, but my play can't have been too bad.
Bruh. Splashy V doesn't have much of a fold button. You went for max value, and from the sound of it, he wanted to call. How could that possibly be bad at all?

"AT? AT?" - sounds like a guy with KT.

Nice hand.
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