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10-07-2013 , 09:38 AM

Superman1

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5/10nl

1.5k effective

Villain- young, competent, asian, laggy reg.

Villain opens UTG to $35
Hero calls in MP1 with K

MP2 calls
Button calls
BB calls

($175) A

Villain checks
Hero Checks
MP2 bets $125
Button folds
BB folds
Villain Calls $125
Hero raises to $400
MP2 folds
Villain calls

($1100) 9

Villain checks
Hero shoves $1065

Thoughts on line? What do you guys think villains check/call/call range is on flop?

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10-07-2013 , 10:18 AM

plzd0nate

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I don't think I'd c/r the flop. I would prolly just lead or c/c

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10-07-2013 , 11:15 AM

OfCourse

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His range is probably like AJ/QJ/T9cc/T8cc. I agree with just betting the flop.

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10-07-2013 , 11:23 AM

Superman1

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Originally Posted by OfCourse

His range is probably like AJ/QJ/T9cc/T8cc. I agree with just betting the flop.

You don't think he is leading all two pair hands for value in this spot like at least 90% of the time?

I agree 9Tcc makes sense.

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10-07-2013 , 11:41 AM

The Muffin Man

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Originally Posted by plzd0nate

I don't think I'd c/r the flop. I would prolly just lead or c/c

This. I'd rather take a c/r line on a board where villain has more dominated draws that he will stack on the flop.

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10-07-2013 , 11:49 AM

AdamHendrix

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I am going to be flatting the flop nearly all the time. Unless stacks are more shallow. This being most of his cbet range has a lot of hands that won't fold. If in position I would raise his cbet. Because if you brick the turn you fan safely check.

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10-07-2013 , 12:00 PM

OfCourse

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Originally Posted by Superman1

You don't think he is leading all two pair hands for value in this spot like at least 90% of the time?

Pretty bad value bet with QJ here OOP. He will get value from what exactly? Even AJ will be thin value against non-fish opponents.

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10-07-2013 , 12:05 PM

OfCourse

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I should add some AK to his range because your sizing makes it look like you have what you have.

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10-07-2013 , 03:05 PM

TimeBomb

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I agree with just leading after original raiser checks. C/c isn't nearly as good but probably still better then cr.

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10-07-2013 , 05:02 PM

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slik

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Well on the turn, you are sort of stuck to sticking it in likely as a dog (without much fold equity if he's good).

I thought of what line would be better and I can't think of any :-/ lol. So I'm curious what the optimal line would be here, too!

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10-07-2013 , 11:25 PM

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massivetilt99

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I think fold equity is 0 when he calls your check raise on the flop. Take a free card IMO. If he doesn't fold AK on flop he isn't on the turn.

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10-07-2013 , 11:35 PM

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dmkai3

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Originally Posted by massivetilt99

I think fold equity is 0 when he calls your check raise on the flop. Take a free card IMO. If he doesn't fold AK on flop he isn't on the turn.

+1

I also prefer a flop cbet as that's how I'd play my nutted made hands usually.

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10-08-2013 , 12:42 AM

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slik

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Originally Posted by slik

I didn't realize you're in position on the turn. Above advice was based on thinking you're out of position. Yea, I check the turn here as played as last two posters suggested, too.

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10-08-2013 , 10:36 AM

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IronedSheik

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I too do not like the c/r. You should be buying yourself a free river, but I would expect him to call a blank rivers a lot once he calls the c/r (depends some on your image obv). I would just bet-bet-evaluate (leaning bet) as a default.

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10-08-2013 , 11:02 AM

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the real mg0698

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I don't think you have any FE on the turn when he calls flop. Check behind

Flop c/r is w/e. I probably just bet flop.

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10-08-2013 , 11:47 AM

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diskoteque

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seems like i'm the only one but i think he folds AK if we shove turn.

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10-08-2013 , 02:14 PM

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BagOfSuck

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

seems like i'm the only one but i think he folds AK if we shove turn.

I think he folds AK ALOT. Villains cr otf looks v strong especially with his sizing. Villain will peel ak here getting that price and hoping to get to showdown.

Fwiw though I'm with the lead flop group.

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10-08-2013 , 06:35 PM

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OfCourse

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

seems like i'm the only one but i think he folds AK if we shove turn.

Why do you think this? (not trying to be snarky, seriously asking).

My thoughts are that he can't possibly have backdoor clubs, so he can't be calling OOP hoping that maybe his equity improves. If he calls flop with AK, imo he's made up his mind that TPTK is good.

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10-08-2013 , 06:44 PM

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dmkai3

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Originally Posted by diskoteque

seems like i'm the only one but i think he folds AK if we shove turn.

If villain had AK I think he'd cbet a good portion of the time. Also, he'd fold the flop for 400 sometimes. I don't think he has AK very often.

If he did have AK, what makes you think he won't say "that's a pretty safe turn--if I was ahead on the flop, I'm still ahead"?

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10-09-2013 , 01:15 AM

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DGAF

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Impossible to check along this flop with these stacks.

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10-24-2013 , 01:14 AM

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adam levine

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How would you play a set of jacks + k-10 on this flop 5 ways?

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10-24-2013 , 02:04 PM

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Superman1

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Yea i should have just bet the flop once checked to and i really dont know what i was thinking. Thanks for the help guys.

Villain tank called turn with AJ and i bricked.

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10-28-2013 , 10:18 PM

#23

kk405

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multi-way pot, definitely lead the flop...likely will get raised by Villain, perfect spot for a shove on the flop. Not even close.

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10-30-2013 , 10:46 PM

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busticator

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I think I prob bet flop. Looks weird when you check behind the PFR and then raise button's bet. Depends on how wild MP2 and button have been playing, I guess. Also, the strength of villain's hand depends somewhat on how deep and good button is. But button's bet fold on that flop prob means he doesn't know what time it is. If I check raise flop, I prob raise bigger, like 650ish. Then I think turn shove is easier/more correct. As played, I might check behind turn, with a plan to basically give up on brick rivers. But shoving doesn't seem like such a bad option either.