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07-29-2013 , 09:09 AM
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$3,200 effective

Villain- super aggro. raising and 3betting with an above avg frequency. pretty clearly has a reputqation amongst the regs as a wild man. Have only been playing with him for about an hour but every time a hand goes to showdown where big money is involved he has the goods. His very first hand he felted a 100bb stack with AA and then the very next hand he felted a 80bb stack with AK v KK flopping an ace. all the money went in pre. I have not played any hands of significance with him up till now.

Hero- TAG winning image. Complete unknown to villain.

Villain opens UTG+1 to $40
UTG+2 calls
SB Calls
Hero in the BB makes it $200 with AA
Villain calls
+2 folds
SB folds

($480) Q49

Hero bets $275
Villain calls

($1,030) T

Hero bets $475
Villain raises to $1225
Hero calls

($3,480) 9

Hero checks
Villain shoves
Hero?
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07-29-2013 , 10:56 AM
Pre is good, although I might raise a little bigger. Would also bet a little bigger otf, like 2/3 pot.

Ott I would prefer c/c because a good V realizes that the T is a good card to raise you on. I would jam the turn once he raises. Board is super draw heavy at that point and you would end up in a guessing game on the river when he jams almost every time.

As played, I call it off otr. You lose to a few unlikely straights and nothing else made it there. Also, some of his 2p got counterfeited.
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07-29-2013 , 02:01 PM
i agree that pre was fine, i thought the flop bet was too small... maybe bet around 400 given how wet the flop is...

turn is tough, i'd probably check/call or check/fold...

river is a great card cause now you beat q-10...

what is he representing on the river? qq probably would have played different pre and on the flop, 4's and 9's are doubtful, k-j is unlikely unless it's k-jhh...

if he has 10-10, then too bad, but i think the river is a call as played...
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07-29-2013 , 02:09 PM
T9 > AA sometimes.
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07-29-2013 , 02:36 PM
If he is good and knows that you have seen him play wild then he probably isn't bluffing here. Because he wouldn't expect you to fold an overpair to him. Unless he is really wild... Probably still profitable to call off here given the fd missed very player dependent.
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07-29-2013 , 04:20 PM
I like check shoving the turn.
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07-29-2013 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by doylefreud
I like check shoving the turn.
This seems good given description. In particular if he is the kind of aggrofish that has mergy aggression then its great as he will bet random SDV hands for no reason and sometimes call it off when you shove.

He can also have all kinds of heart draws that will bet, and potentially some backdoor spade draws.
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07-29-2013 , 06:42 PM
Also would definitely bet more on flop, probably around 360 - 375

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07-30-2013 , 11:22 PM
bigger pre since you are deep and he will call you wide for imply odds, bigger otf.

If you bet small ott to induce, then definitly jam over his raise.
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07-31-2013 , 02:58 AM
Bet more on the turn. As played super gay but I probably fold turn.
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07-31-2013 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mg0698
Bet more on the turn. As played super gay but I probably fold turn.
Not gay at all. As this hand replays over and over in my head i think that if i do bet the turn that it is definitely a b/f for value but optimally c/c the turn is what i should have done.
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07-31-2013 , 08:45 PM
A wild villain like you describe can show up with a lot of hands on the turn, that few have mentioned, like J9, T9, J8, J9, KJ, TJ. Do wild villains like this really fold gutters or 2nd pair in a 3bet pot with position? Do they r/f pre with stuff like J8s deep? I think both answers are no.

Still, I call river since everything but J9 missed if he was drawing.
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08-01-2013 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Superman1
Not gay at all. As this hand replays over and over in my head i think that if i do bet the turn that it is definitely a b/f for value but optimally c/c the turn is what i should have done.
yeah i prefer c/c over b/f for sure. bet/call is very bad.

the funny thing is you got one of the best rivers ever and you should still be folding imo
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08-01-2013 , 02:57 PM
i mean i guess you should call river if you're calling turn because you think he's bluffing with a flush draw, but i don't think that's what is going on here
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08-02-2013 , 01:58 AM
Bet 675 on the turn with a highly textured board and out of position. One bet left. Easy game:

If you suspect he's a very good player, you're crushed. He's not d*cking around in this situation; he has at least 35% equity (best case), or you're dead (worst case). 32.5% is your middle of the road equity in this situation, but most of his strong draws just call you on the turn; you're therefore more likely drawing slim to dead, so you should fold.

If he's possibly some less than stellar player who's likely to overplay hands like QJc or AQs, then shove on the turn. One bet left. Whatever.

As played, you have half a bet left, and that's the best possible river card for you. You don't know that he's not shutting down with random draws even though you only have half a bet left, so call.

Next time, commit or fold on the turn (because draws that he might have now have a freeroll decision on you).

Last edited by bigoiltrader; 08-02-2013 at 02:20 AM.
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08-02-2013 , 06:30 AM
I think it would be incorrect to 3 bet shove turn. Pre and flop are fine. Bet a little bigger on turn, fold to shove, alternatively check call. As played, fold river.
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08-04-2013 , 01:25 AM
as played thats a pretty good river for you.

i guess this really comes down to how wide he opens preflop, how wide he defends preflop, and how crazy he is about semi bluffing hands that have poor but not great equity vs w/e your value range is on the turn.

sick spot for sure, but if you're calling turn you gotta snap off this river.
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08-08-2013 , 03:01 AM
what reads would you guys need to check/jam that turn?

or do you think it checks through to often because he might think we c/c with to many Jx? so its bad turn?

but if hes auto bet kind of guy isnt it perfect spot unless he is thinks hero doesnt c/j bluff there very often
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08-12-2013 , 04:49 AM
Raise bigger pre.

Against this villain I'm putting in a c/r either flop or turn if I'm committing my stack.. the line you took allowed him to decide to either fold worse hands or put you in a difficult spot on the river regardless of board run out. If your intention was to induce and decide whether to call then that's fine... but judging by the thread you got yourself in a difficult spot.

Btw once he raised that turn you should know that he's jamming almost any river if checked to.
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08-14-2013 , 01:53 PM
Hard for him to turn a bluff catcher into a bluff here Id bet fold turn. You have two aces so less likely he has something A9ss A4ss hand turning into a bluff. (If he flats that pre) Only hand I see bluffing here is 10Jss. A lot of times if they have q10ss here they just check and take their showdown.

Bet fold turn. As played fold river.
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08-15-2013 , 06:44 AM
i'm not folding after getting here like this. you don't block either of the nut flush draws, you bet weakly on the turn in an aggro opponent's mind, and people are super super floaty IP deep these days
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08-28-2013 , 11:36 PM
Bigger bets pre & on flop to reduce SPR.

pre-flop 3-bet to $300.

flop (pot=$680) bet $450. Board is too draw heavy, bet a little more than 2/3 pot.

Turn (pot=$1580) check/shove. He would probably bet $600-$800. Effective stacks would be $2450 on the turn. So he bets $800 & you shove for 3x.
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08-29-2013 , 01:28 PM
Stacking 300 bigs with an overpair (and no crazy dynamic/image)???

Yikes.
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08-29-2013 , 01:29 PM
Just fold to turn raise.
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08-29-2013 , 02:39 PM
How many people were dealt into the hand?

If this is 6+ handed I don't think UTG's flop calling range needs to be much wider than {99-QQ, AQ, Ax(3) #33}. When you bet again on the turn, he can pretty much just fold AQ, and do some combination of calling and raising the rest. (JJ > AQ from his perspective, I think.)

Even if he's a lot looser than that, blocking combos of AQ isn't good...seems like we can c/c the turn and then c/flip coin on the river pretty safely here.
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