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5/10, weird spot with AJ 5/10, weird spot with AJ

10-22-2023 , 03:19 AM
5/10, 10 handed
V1: good reg. Can occasionally go out of line but pretty solid overall.
V2: less good reg. Seems like he often overplays medium strength hands.
V3: random fish, running fairly well today.

V3 has ~600. Aside from him, H is the effective stack with ~1400.

H opens raises 30 from UTG with AhJc
V1 in UTG+2 calls
V2 in LJ calls
CO calls
V3 in BB calls

Flop (150): Ad5s3s
H cbets 50
V1 calls
V2 raises 250
CO folds
V3 calls
H??
5/10, weird spot with AJ Quote
10-22-2023 , 03:41 AM
10 handed I'm pretty sure this is a fold UTG.

As played seems like a pretty trivial fold. I think you can even check it a lot of the time.
5/10, weird spot with AJ Quote
10-22-2023 , 05:19 PM
I fold that most the time 9 handed pre. I check the flop at most tables. You are ahead of A2ss, A4ss, A6-!0ss and thats about it. 7 combos. And how many of those does he raise with? A3cc and A5cc. 3 combos each of 33 and 55. And depending on the player 8 combos each of AQ and AK?

24 hands you are behind and 7 you are ahead of. Folding seems more than ok.
5/10, weird spot with AJ Quote
10-22-2023 , 05:58 PM
Pretty standard fold unless v2 is way too wide. Is he raising any 5x and lots of flush draws? Like 2 broadway cards with clubs no ace.
5/10, weird spot with AJ Quote
10-23-2023 , 05:57 AM
5 handed OTF, OOP I think this hand plays better as a check. Not at all trying to build a pot.
5/10, weird spot with AJ Quote
10-23-2023 , 03:35 PM
Fold pre but raise isn't terrible five handed. Check flop for sure. Easy fold now.
5/10, weird spot with AJ Quote
10-23-2023 , 04:00 PM
I agree with Javanewt fold pre, but if the game is soft and I've decided to raise I would raise to 40 or even 50 in some games attempting to get it heads up/3 ways max.

I also agree with twitcherroo just check the flop, a lot of players flat hands like AQ and AK, so my goal at that point would be to get to SD as cautiously and economically as possible.

The flop should be an easy fold. People don't usually do this with draws or worse hands in multi way pots.
5/10, weird spot with AJ Quote
10-23-2023 , 06:19 PM
Check flop. What decent hands are you checking with on the flop? You need to check some aces or your range is incredibly face up. Honestly I would probably check AK a lot on this flop 5 ways. Probably just fold now as played now.
5/10, weird spot with AJ Quote
10-23-2023 , 06:30 PM
flop is for sure range check at least in theory id think. this is a horrible flop for you as utg lol. even if you were somehow going to pick and choose hands to bet, i dont think think this would make the cut esp w no S.

in terms of comparable sims as to why i think its range check -
if you look at 100bb 6m sim (you're probably decently looser than you should be 10 handed) utg 2.5x open vs btn flat we are checking 88% of range which you should probably just simpify to range check. once u start adding more people to the pot its going to become more of a check. the issue with this board is while we have top set more than everyone else by an overwhelming margin, when you have that, they cant have much and overall you have 2p+ 4.5% of the time.
if you look at the same sim utg vs bb, bb is supposed to lead ~20% of the time (which no one does) and you're still supposed to check 70% of the time. if bb isn't leading id think that number gets closer to 80.
if you look at the 9 handed sim on there for utg vs btn we do see some betting (utg opening an extremely tight range) with about 40% of range, but this becomes close to 0 if u make the Ace one of the flush suit. also this is presuming button isn't really calling 33/55/a3/a5 pre which id think the callers in your game have alot.
the same sim if u take a look at utg vs bb (9 max) its checking 65% of the time while assuming bb is leading 20%. again no one really finds the leads so probably this shuold be closer to 75 in practice. it also becomes much worse for ep on As5d3s

as you add more people to the mix, the amount of weak hands they're going to need to continue with is going to go down so your sizing and / or frequency needs to drop. here its probably both and your hand sucks anyways.

anyways. all of that would lead me to believe this isn't really a very good for ep which makes sense. you're not opening 33/55 or a3ss here, if you are your range is going to be way too loose. so really your advantage is in top set which blocks continues, some of the better Axss, and like TPTK hands which aren't really going to be multiple streets on most runouts, particularly if the flop is 5 ways.


pre is supposed to be a fold id think (although looks like a mix if youre raising 9 handed), and id imagine a world where people are calling too much behind you makes it worse to open - look at what happened in this hand but can also accept live poker is boring and people aren't 3bing enough so its probably whatever

Last edited by submersible; 10-23-2023 at 06:46 PM.
5/10, weird spot with AJ Quote
10-24-2023 , 04:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niemand
5/10, 10 handed
V1: good reg. Can occasionally go out of line but pretty solid overall.
V2: less good reg. Seems like he often overplays medium strength hands.
V3: random fish, running fairly well today.

V3 has ~600. Aside from him, H is the effective stack with ~1400.

H opens raises 30 from UTG with AhJc
V1 in UTG+2 calls
V2 in LJ calls
CO calls
V3 in BB calls

Flop (150): Ad5s3s
H cbets 50
V1 calls
V2 raises 250
CO folds
V3 calls
H??
Pretty hard to say V1 is a good reg when he shouldn't have one hand in his calling range - all his continuing hands are supposed to 3bet so you may want to classify him as reg who isn't well studied.

As played this hand is a disaster. Opening pre 10 handed is boarderline - even at 8 handed AJo at 150bb is mostly a fold. Maybe you can open it at a very weak table.

Flop 5 ways you can't ever lead this flop. You never have 24, 33 or 55 (at least you shouldn't have these hand combos), so you're only nutted hand you can have here is AA and A5s which is only 2 combos because the Spades and Diamonds are gone and those are going to want to check raise to protect your strong top pairs that can't continue betting.

As played just fold and let the burning of $80 be a learning experience.
5/10, weird spot with AJ Quote
11-24-2023 , 09:08 PM
That’s an easy fold, players at that level aren’t good enjoying to bluff with a wide range at a high frequency. At best you’re up against a combo draw, most likely 2 pair/set hand. Once in a while they’ll show you QJ, god bless them if they do.
5/10, weird spot with AJ Quote

      
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