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Originally Posted by 411Heelhook
And I think the river is the least interesting spot in this hand because we should be getting here with so few combos of tens played this way. I don't even think it's a single combo, we barely have more than a single combo even getting to the flop this way. I'm giving op an 8 handed table with "mp" being LJ+HJ and I still get barely more than a combo and nowhere remotely close to 2 combos. What happens if it's a 9 or 10 handed table and we included the seat to the right of the LJ? That's a pure call as well, just like LJ is a pure call.
If villain is overfolding, you aren't supposed to be value betting more, the opposite is true. You should be removing the thin part of your value range and overbluffing instead. Poker 101 tbh.
And again, your desire to not give villain KK-AA only exists in your head. That's not theoretically sound poker, that's not indicative of what a good 5/10 reg should be capable of, and it's not even indicative of the population as a whole.
I'm just going to say what I said in my first response, I think you're giving MP a far wider range than he should have. You said he has a bunch of 7's, he has 3 at absolute maximum. You said he should be pure calling the turn with all of his pp's but the majority of pp's we beat should have folded pre, and by the river we lose to more pp's than we beat. You said he has to call with suited overs on flop and turn but we've truncated his range so much that those hands represent the bottom of his range on the turn, the vast majority are easy folds. You said he has to call 50% of his 22-66 on river, he shouldn't hardly ever show up to the river with those hands period, especially given preflop raise sizing.
I think I've come to realize I agree far less with you than I thought I did at first, but I also don't think there's any reason to continue since we've both said what we wanted to say. Thank you for discussing with me.
Do you own pio? Because I recommend you take whatever ranges you think are GTO-approved and solve it yourself, think you might change your opinion regardless of what inputs you use
Only 2 comments on the above:
1. As I mentioned in my last comment, depends how extreme you want to take a very specific read. If you are positive he is overfolding, then sure checking TT pure on river and pure jamming all your bluffs is a great exploit. If you are less sure you want to take a less extreme exploit, and I prefer to start overbluffing than to start overtrapping for all the reasons I mentioned previously. Like I do find the read interesting because in the game I play I think people will call the river super frequently, but I don't know pool this is in so maybe hero is positive about this read.
2. In terms of the pocket pairs, the one interesting thing from solving is depending on your assumptions villain will have a turn jamming range that essentially solely consists of 22-66 for value/protection, I don't think people do this in reality though. I can tell you that in the games I play a lot of people will snap me off with 44 on the river, but that's because they know I'm capable, which might not be hero's image.
