Hi all. I challenged myself in the 'Goals and Challenges subforum' to break $30k in 30 days of $5/10 and this hand in particular has spawned a lot of debate with my friends, with their river suggestions split half and half. I'm curious about LLSNL's view regarding the river action in a live setting.

Pre: 4 limpers. I complete in SB with T8o and BB checks.

Flop: ($55) KxT8. Bingo. I bet $45, UTG calls, field folds.

Turn: ($145) 8x. Gin. AK is now drawing nearly dead. I check to induce a bet and Villain obliges, betting $120. Villain has $1090 behind so I re-raise to $350. Villain tank-calls.

River: ($845) 7. I've over bet the river against this Villain three times in the past and there are a lot of AX and KX combos that he's never folding, so I ship, hoping that he levels himself into calling with lower flushes.

We're obviously going to showdown 100% of the time here, but the question is: should I have played the river more cautiously, going with the 'I can only get called by better' logic? A very possible J9 becomes a straight flush on the river and Villain's UTG position makes it viable that he has KK.

So the question is: Is it worth losing value to all the AX and KX combos on the river by check-calling in case Villain has an over-full or a very possible straight flush? By checking, I also might induce bluffs by having Villain value-own himself with AA or AKo. Villain sees me as LAG and knows I over-bluff the river so he's calling with any made hand so I think it's a shove. But then again, this Villain is competent, so he won't check a flush on the river like most showdown-hungry droolers. What do you guys say?

IMO, no. Mind you, I don't play 5/10, so take my input with a grain of salt, but there are just so many more combos of flush than overboat or SF, that to give up value here would be sad, esp given reads.

I think that you can hugely discount KK from UTG's range, as he didn't raise pre, or on such a drawy flop. You can prob discount 10 10 as well for the same reasons. You say he's LAG, does he limp often from EP? How has he played post flop in other limped pots? I like your line. But, I don't play this high up either.

i like shoving the river. you are getting called by worse a lot

As stated above, there's way too many ahxh and khxh combos that will call you down, and only a couple of hands that you lose to. Id jam and feel good about it - especially if he's seen u do this before with air. I'd be prepared to almost completely discount kk given the line he's taken.

Most people miss tones of value in situations like this, and IMO that's the diff between winning players and losing players.

No way. KK is such a small part of his range. I couldn't care less about a straight flush - SF's almost deserve to get paid, heck it's almost a brag to get a FH busted by a SF.

Definitely ship it.

I think he shows up with a full house a lot less than you think he does... I don't think I'm really concerned with losing here, but rather how to get the max value. Options: bet small, bet medium, shove or c/raise. I think shoving is the best option as villain has lots of flushes he just can't fold.

Unless you are leaving a lot out, I dont see AK, KK or TT in his range. KT, K8 and lots of flushes.

Yeah shipping it has a pretty high likelihood of getting a call, everyone knows those big bets are like always a bluff ya know.

I hate overbet shipping because hands as good as flushes can get away, much less AK lol. Him calling with "any made hand" is extremely optimistic thinking unless he is a drooler. Also, bet this turn as apposed to checking. C/r'ing makes your hand both face up, and gets less money into the pot the many times he checks behind or bets and folds to a c/r, but would have called turn and river barrels.

bet for value

I think one of the questions you need to ask yourself and answer is "Am I calling if he shoves?" before you decide what to do on the river.

Can you find a fold here? Villain has slightly less than 1/2 his stack in. KK, 1010 and J9h beat you. Hero has $640 left so what size value bet is left that hero would just call? None, right? At this point it is shove or c/f and agian, if you can't find a hero fold, shove.

i didn't look at stack sizes properly. you have less than a psb on river. it's not an overbet

Totally fine to bet 740 (allin) into 840 on this river.

Sorry if he had KK or TT but I know for 2/5 they're easily calling you with worse often enough to make up for the times when you were drawing dead on the river.

I'm not so familiar with 5/10 but I don't expect it to be considerably different.

the tank shove might get the call by much worse.