Playing 5/10 @ Monarch in Blackhawk, CO. $4.5k effective.

There's a $20 BTN straddle. UTG+1 limps, I raise next to act to $100. LJ flats, BTN calls, UTTG+1 calls.

Flop [$415]: 8s8d2c

Checks to me, I bet $125. Maybe should go bigger here, but oh well. All 3 players call.

Turn [$915]: Qd

Checks to me, I bet $400, folds to BTN who raises to $1.1k. UTG+1 folds. I decide to jam for $3.2k. My thought process is that his line is very often an 8 or better which is never folding and is pretty much never quads. Don't want a chance for an action killing card like ace or king, and I could have some bluffs such as AKdd, JTdd, T9dd. He may think I'm overvaluing Aces or Kings too. I also figure he will check back on the river with hands like AQ or KQ when I flat anyway. He might have the same bluffs as me, but harder for him to make that play with another player to act in between who plays very wide and definitely could be slow playing a boat. So, is this an overplay and I should have flatted and prayed he fired river? Or fine as played?

Any reads on BTN? If he’s any good, he knows you have 22, QQ, or A8 pretty much always after you shove so I prefer flatting the turn raise.

If you have the hands you listed as bluffs in a 4 way pot on a paired board when we started with 450bb......I'd look into multiway theory pretty hard. A 3bet bluff jam here would be very, very bad.

V also never has AQ or KQ here unless he's a total maniac. Qd being on board pretty much takes any chances of that away.




That being said, you're OOP, so we either 3bet jam here, or flat and jam river. Both are equally ridiculously strong lines and should fold out a lot of 8x unless V just never folds an 8 here. So, it's 50/50 if we want to flat and jam all rivers hoping V improves to a smaller FH or in the rare times he has diamonds that his flush gets there.

Also, an A or a K river doesn't kill action for the most part. A8 and K8 are hands than can be raising turn. If V has an 8 and you don't think he folds your turn jam, he likely won't fold to a river jam with A or K.

And we should never flat and then check river. Most any 8 is going to check behind a lot here after we call. Maybe A8 still bets river, but that's likely it. So, we are either 3bet jamming turn or calling turn and donk jamming river. There's just no way around looking incredibly strong here.



I'd personally just flat and jam all rivers. He either has an 8, 22, or is going nuts with a draw. 22 is likely never folding, but we could possibly get folds out of an 8 or a draw on turn. So, might as well give him a card in the hopes that he improves.

You didnt write what your hand was. Im assuming its QQ and not Q8

I flat this all day, why jam when V is taking sucha polarized line? Jamming is so strong here, i’d be tempted to fold a bad 8 if i was V tbh and i would certainly fold any semi bluffs.

Sorry, forgot to mention that yes we have QQ. Villain is unknown, seems like a rec that tries to take the game seriously, def not a maniac, but plays slightly wide. He has been caught bluffing a couple times, once by me, in the couple hours he's been at the table. For context, in a previous hand he called a 3 bet IP with T9s multiway and stacked off to a massive SB check jam for $2k on a 987r flop (he had no BDFD). He folded and later said he had AQ in this hand, so being results oriented it didnt matter what we did, we were never getting more value.

Keep in mind, he is kinda getting a price here. I might struggle to find a fold with a combo draw in his shoes if he ever thinks I jam with an overpair. Only needs 28% equity vs. my range to breakeven.

You never jam with an overpair and if he had AQ he’s a gigantic whale.

Of course I would never jam an overpair, but I think rec players might think I would.

At these stakes I think just flat. Most rivers don't bring in diamonds and even if they do, villain may still value bet an 8 on river.

But it's close. I wouldn't want V to hero fold an 8 here. Jamming doesn't make a ton if sense from villain's perspective, and will probably either look suicidal or really greedy. But if he never folds an i here, then sure.

At the end of the day, you are 225 straddles deep in a multiway pot. I have asked for advice here in similar spots and been told I should be stacking trips every time. The reality is, it is hard to get stacks in here vs trips.

Considering he claimed to have gotten here with AQ, I think he never folds an 8.

He'd have to show me AQ here for me to believe that.

Also, the T9 hand is far, far different than floating flop with AQ and then essentially turning it into a bluff for $1100 in a multiway pot. Since he can't have TPTK with flush draw here with Qd on the turn. It's much more likely he had complete air or an 8 and doesn't want to admit either.