5/10 e1.1k
Hero UTG KsQh open 25
Sb fish calls
Bb fish/whale calls
3 ways
(75) flop QsQc3s
X x hero bets 15.
Sb folds
Bb laughs at my bet and XR to 75.
Hero calls.
Hu
(225) turn Tc
Bb bets 75.
He says, “if you raise right here you win”
Hero calls.
He says, “aw man you coulda won right there”
(375) riv 9s
V snap jams 950.
Hero in the tank,
V, “I’ll show you a bluff either way.”
H, “how are you bluffing tho I need you to XR air and then just bet turn and jam river with… what?”
V, “it’s called blockers”
Hero tanks
Hero,”I’m leaning towards call”
V, “alright just hurry up and call already I’m getting nervous sitting here”
Hero?

Flop sizing is bad against two big fish. Just size up. Not raising turn when he bets 75 again seems criminal. I'd fold the river. Don't engage with strategy talk either.

We can probably raise turn. Fold river.

River overbet jams are probably the most underbluffed spot across all stakes, all player profiles, online or live.

Seriously, out of the 10-20 pros/regs I play with, like 2 or 3 of them put you in tough spots often enough with river overbets for it to be a really tough decision. Most of the others you can just overfold against. With recs it is even less. Even online there is more bluffing from regs, but river overbets are still underbluffed.

So absent some hand history or an insane read, we should just default to the exploit vs the population and overfold. Besides, you can have boats and flushes here, so it isn't clear we have to call this in theory anyways. Overcalling huge bets in huge pots where people always have it is probably the biggest leak in poker.

Like, sometimes you will bluff catch and be right. And sometimes when the line doesn't make sense we can deviate. But vs population, calling this river has to be one of the most losing plays in poker.

Exploitative poker is folding to this line over and over again.

Vs two fish I prefer slightly bigger on the flop. Would've liked 25-30.

I would fold the river. When fish size up on a later street it's pretty value heavy ime.

I would be bigger pre, in 5/10 my UTG opens are 30 to 40.

I would bet more otf unless you were tryna induce him to raise which you accomplished.

With the speech and bet I'm just folding, this is usually at min. AQ.

Why is BB a fish/whale?

Generally I tend to over-fold vs this sort of speech play. His chuckle check-raise makes me think he flopped a boat with 33 and is putting you on a big draw or QX.

Dissecting his speech play...,"if you arise here you win," sounds to me like, "I'm only losing to QQ and QT." The river speech just sounds like nonsense to induce a call from what he now assumes must be a strong hand. No one ever says they're nervous if they really are.

Can't see what his bluffs would be, so it seems like a trivial fold.

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33 blocks the other 33

Your hand looks more like a flush than a Qx , him jamming 2.5x here is just unbelievably strong. I’d overfold here, probably call only with 99+

You fold 33? Lol what

man weird hand. im fish maybe but i want to call this one. think ks isnt that useful of a blocker vs this size otr but its ok randomizer and q is good card. would imagine if hes whale he doesnt really have bluffing ranges or whatever, just decides to bluff sometimes and seems like this is river / runout he will empty clip on. can see all the arguments for folding, we're uncapped, obvious bluff candidates got there, size is v scary, blah blah, but like hes probably decent polar to snap jam here otr - im not even sure like axss does this, even more so with the live stuff. obviously good percent of the player pool has no bluffs here, but i also think a) the thread doesn't get made if he truly is incapable of bluffing here and b) lots of those people don't really have this line / sizing scheme in their arsenal anyways. turn and river sizing parlay is interesting though - his range is what? qt / q3 / 33 exactly?

I think this thread gets made to see if anyone can find a fold with trip Q's here, facing this sort of V, in this situation, with this speech play, etc.

This hand reminds me a lot of another one I saw play out - EP raise, two LP flat calls, 3 to the flop of QQ9tt. Big stack on a massive heater can't stop himself from visibly laughing at the flop. My friend the EP raiser leads out with his NFD. Big stack chuckler calls. 3rd player raises with AQo (sitting next to me, exposing her hole cards as she double-checked). EP jams. Big stack calls. AQ tanks for a minute, then re-jams. Big stack laughs and calls, before he rolls over 99.

Laughing at the flop or an opponent's flop bet isn't usually a fake tell from an actor feigning strength while planning an elaborate bluff on a board texture like this. In-game laughter is usually an involuntary release of tension from someone who knows they're either crushed and are insta-folding, or they're never getting away from their hand, so "buckle up".

Because he's a whale in the BB, he can have every QX combo, including QT and Q3, and certainly he can have 33. It's not at all out of character for a loose-splashy whale to laugh at his dumb luck for flopping a boat with Q3 or 33, or think he flopped gin with QT, then know he's got it with a T on the turn, leading him to dial up the speech-play.

If we want to suppose that he was laughing at hero's bet size, and has decided to bluff with something, I'd expect him to be bluffing with pure air more often than any sort of draw that gets there.

If he was trying to semi-bluff with a draw, he wouldn't be laughing and engaging in follow-up speech play, he'd be focused and tight-lipped. What sort of loon starts laughing as he decides he's going to begin running a massive bluff with pure air, against the PFR, on this board, and then starts running his mouth as he's down-betting turn?

If we've seen this guy laughing while running massive 3-street bluffs with this sort of line and sizing, x/r flop - barrel 1/3 pot - 3x jam, or if we've seen him snap-3x-over-bet-jam scary river cards with total air, maybe we can call, but if all we know is that he's loose-splashy, that doesn't seem like nearly enough of a read to stack off here.

Just the bet sizing alone should send up the warning flares. What bluffs does he have that x/r flop, down-bet to 1/3 pot on the turn, then snap-jam 3x pot on a scary river? Wouldn't his bluffs want to go huge on the turn, before a scary river?

His speech-play is basically "I'm betting the nuts right into you, and taunting you as I do it, and you're calling, so I'm just going to keep betting, because this is awesome, and I can only lose to 1 hand, and if you have it, so be it, because money means nothing to me."

The more I think about it, the more it sounds like he has Q3, and was daring you to rep QT by raising turn. He knows it's a cooler situation, so he's just going for max value with the river jam.

This is very interesting and something ive never really thought of before, i totally buy that a laugh means they are unlikely to have anything marginal or requiring thinking.

My guess is OP folded and got shown As3x

idk i think turn size is much scarier than the river

Seems like a tough spot. We have great blockers but we don’t have to defend often against this sizing. I probably fold cause this is a very underbluffed river sizing.

I would raise turn to like 200. As played fold.

Not sure if this is a better call than the nut flush.
His snap jam really isn’t a flush imo it’s more polar than that

yeah i mean probably dont want a spade then (you'd want him to have high spade to run it with) but i think its fine as a randomizer. dunno we rly dont have many good hands (fh+) from ep 9 handed even w fish in blinds, i just question if fish ever does this ott w a bluff. im not sure ive seen turn and river in conjunction from anyone not very good with a bluff. but idk man, life is short and if you're trying to find an overall river strategy and not just deciding lol he never bluffs here like its rounders (i think thats reasonable approach vs plenty of people), i think its fine to put this in

interesting hand though

He was laughing at your small flop bet. Could easily be have 99 or one of the many draws that showed up on turn and river, fold.