Main villain in this hand is completely unknown. Bought in for 1000 and somehow did not lose his entire stack after defending the sb vs a button raise on AA923 runout with him holding 99 and his opponent holding AA

i missed this hand for a bathroom break but it was the talk of the table when i came back

2 limps in EP. These 2 are obvious rec-fish. they've been limping since they got here

Hero raises the cutoff to 55 with AJ

both blinds defend with villain on the small, both limpers fold

OKAY. that was unexpected

(185)

A74

checks to hero, bets 100 both call

(485)

7

checks to hero who checks it back

K

villain leads 300

The title says "thin on the river". What does that mean? You are considering raising?

Id say this is an easy call. I'm not folding and I'm not raising.

easy fold

Are you considering a bluff-jam? Not deep enough for that.

Have played 5/10 only occasionally and I am still scared money there. FWIW, this looks like an easy to call to me. s missed. Unless, we know that he has something like A7 or a 7, this is a clear call. What hands will call, if we raise?

P.S. I chuckled when you said the rec-fish have been limping since they came here.

Why do you think its an easy fold? When hero checks the turn back it looks like he doesnt have an ace and was just Cbetting the flop.

Villain can easily bet the river without an ace, with a busted FD or he could have an ace and we are chopping. Villain could also have something like KcQc and think its good.

No way this is a fold.

Do we know anything about our V's?

In most games at this level river is probably close mw since bluffing freq is going to be lower.

Thinking a v will show up here with KX after betting river mw is a stretch.

Probably just betting turn but ap otr its close.

I assume the BB folded to Villain's river bet?

yeah the bb folded

i meant thin on the river meaning i think this is the thinnest we can call

villian is obviously cautious and called a big raise from the SB, the bb had some piece and maybe had the flush draw, also maybe he check raises his draws

i though AT was a fold, AJ is close imo...I dont think he is bluffing often if ever here and probably doesnt bet AT or worse

AT and AJ are the same hand. The K counterfeited your kicker. The only reason you'd call is to pick off a bluff, which may include someone trying to bet you off a chop. As SABR said, rebluffing doesn't seem good.

Board reading is hard.

It's based on my experience and because we have no info on the unknown villain we can't really put bluffs in his range. On top of that, in general, people don't usually donk the river like that with a bluff, it's mostly for value. He's checking back pretty much all his aces except for AK. If he WAS bluffing, since like you said, our hand is under repped, he could bluff for a smaller amount. Leading 300 into 485 otr is most likely a hand that beats AJ. We have hardly any info on him so how can we think this is a bluff?

That's not my experience, actually. If he has missed clubs, I think donking is exactly what he would do if he decides to bluff. He can't try to x/r bluff since he'd have to fear it checking through.

I'm not saying this is a bluff (it easily could be), but I think clubs could play exactly this way especially after hero checks back the turn (looks weak).

I'm sorry guys, there is a typo in the OP, turn was the 3 of hearts, which completes the straight

otherwise it's an obv call

I thought when he bet he probably had an ace and i'm actually worried about AK, thought it had to be the BB on the flush draw, so pretty much eliminating bluffs here, don't think his pf flats have bad aces imo

Wow, that really changes the whole hand completely.

Do you have any other reads on V? Have you not seen him play *any* hands before this?

I think if he's capable of bluffing then you need to call here, especially after you check back the turn. My default read at 5/10 is that most Villains *are* capable of bluffing missed clubs. I'm guessing he would check-raise the wettish flop with most of his value combos and his strongest combo-draws. Do you think V is calling flop with a bare OESD?

I'm not sure why you're worried about AK. Most Villains will 3-bet it, especially at 5/10 with 2 limpers and 1 caller already. The default V at 5/10 knows they'd rather not take AK 5-6 ways.

Honestly, with your check back on the turn I think he could also be betting AT here (which I think V will defend from the BB).

In game, this is a tank call for me.

I think this would be more plausible if it was checked to him otr when he bet. Donk outs like this are usually value bets (without any reads that the player has these kinds of bluffs in him).

That is the problem. hero doesn't know him so what's your default play?

V is in the SB, so this is probably his only opportunity to bluff. He can't hope to x/r given the turn check-through.

Again, not claiming this is necessarily a bluff, but if he *does* bluff with missed clubs this is exactly what I would expect him to do.

My default play is to fold at 1/2 and 1/3, call at 2/5 and up. At that level, my default Villains are capable of bluffing missed draws especially when the turn checks through.

anyway i'm going to spoil it since i ruined the thread

hero tank calls

villain shows AQs

just in general i expect the SB to be check raising draws while the BB should flat since he gets odds and closes the action, i don't think this is a good bluff spot for villain with 2 players still alive

good play by villain

That's unfortunate, I'd probably call here too.

I think you should've been more afraid of AQ than AK here, btw.

Why don't we bet the turn on this draw heavy board?

LOL. Changing the turn card changes the hand completely. Thread ruined.

Im not surprised at all to see him have AQ here. It was an easy call before, now its very close with the new turn card. Not sure what I would do. Live reads mean a lot in spots like this.