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09-07-2009 , 01:41 PM

randomplaya

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Villain mediocre reg, overplays TP, calls to draw, has made laydowns vs Hero in the past holding the best hand
Hero probably considered by villain as best player at the table, the only person 3betting pf, havent shown down a hand, TAG

PF Folded to Hero in CO I raise to $35 w/ 2

folded to villain who calls in BB

FLOP ($75) T

V checks, Hero bets $60, V calls.

TURN ($195) T

V checks, Hero bets $160, V calls.

RIVER ($515) T

V checks, Hero...

Villain has $500 behind, Hero covers.

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09-07-2009 , 02:15 PM

Rampage_Jackson

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89 hit, but the flush draw didn't... if 89 missed also I think I'd fire. With two check calls I think his range includes a lot of tens, KhJh, and KhQh. So basically most of his range is one pair hands or a possible missed draw. Given his description it doesn't sound like he is going to slowplay a set on both the flop and turn with the flush draw out.

What it comes down to is the probability that he will fold one pair hands when you shove here (or don't shove).

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09-07-2009 , 08:51 PM

Williegb

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Originally Posted by randomplaya

the only person 3betting pf

Where is this magical place you speak of?

Based on villains play, thier range appears to be mostly draws and top/mid pairs. Most of the draws you already beat (with the exception of Khxh, which I'm not sure is folding). So the question really becomes, how often do you think you can make this player fold a pair. Based on your description of the player, they seem weak tight, which makes me lean slightly towards a shove. However I think this is close enough that table dynamics could change this.

Any more info on villain?

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09-08-2009 , 10:19 AM

randomplaya

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Originally Posted by Williegb

Where is this magical place you speak of?

Any more info on villain?

This magical place is a live table lol.

Villain's just your typical weak-passive reg who will once in a while make a move that is often spewy, has concept of pot odds implied odds image range etc but apply them all somewhat incorrectly when making decisions, I'm sure you know the type ;-) He's made incorrect folds to me in the past and views me as TAG maybe capable of making moves but he hasn't seen me shown down too many hands ever except all-in's and I'm rarely shoving with draws at a table like this fwiw.

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09-08-2009 , 10:22 AM

Renton

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500 left on river or 500 to start?

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09-08-2009 , 11:09 AM

fds

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if he has $500 behind on the river, a shove is printing money

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09-08-2009 , 11:34 AM

Gunner008

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Pretty sure the only way your taking this down is with a bet on the river.

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09-08-2009 , 10:48 PM

Williegb

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Yeah, then it seems like a shove is best. Plus, if he calls you get some fun image cred for later.

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09-08-2009 , 10:54 PM

randomplaya

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I shoved, he snapcalled(!) with K

... I really felt it was a major leak for him to do that because he said "I had to call, you didn't put me on King-something"... of course I kept that opinion to myself so as to not educate him... nice to see this thread confirms it, thx.

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09-09-2009 , 04:42 AM

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lucknotskill

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Originally Posted by randomplaya

I shoved, he snapcalled(!) with K

lol thats awful. i was gonna post dont shove cuz live players don't fold but then i read this.

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09-09-2009 , 04:44 AM

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Renton

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his play is fine if there was 500 to start, still haven't got an answer on that

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09-09-2009 , 05:39 AM

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lucknotskill

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Originally Posted by Renton

his play is fine if there was 500 to start, still haven't got an answer on that

to clarify i wasnt saying the shove was awful although i think live it is not best

stupid wording. i mean-- against this player and making reasonable assumptions i have made from live play

Last edited by lucknotskill; 09-09-2009 at 05:50 AM. Reason: new info i guess

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09-09-2009 , 07:14 AM

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Renton

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no i meant the dudes call is probably fine. its pretty easy for us to be bluffing or vbing worse.

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09-09-2009 , 07:54 AM

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KneedUrDough

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I don't particularly like the cbet on that flop...

Villain should have crai'd the turn and can't be faulted to badly for his call

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09-09-2009 , 09:40 AM

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randomplaya

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Originally Posted by Renton

his play is fine if there was 500 to start, still haven't got an answer on that

$500 left on river, hence I put it at the end of my post.

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09-09-2009 , 09:43 AM

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Renton

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i would check the flop, and in general i believe its bad to run multistreet bluffs with no outs vs people who are fishy and call a lot.

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09-11-2009 , 05:52 AM

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ledoutwbottomset

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damn I hate when I read the results before I get to post. His hand fit right into my perceived range. The only way to win was a bet It seemed like he had a flush draw so I agree with the 3rd barrel donk call just have to call u lol shvug

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09-11-2009 , 09:38 AM

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imfromsweden

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Damn, I wanted to post before results as well

I would just check back river, I see us getting called by hands like KJ or weaker wayyy too often.

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09-11-2009 , 11:01 AM

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TheeeAmbien

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Originally Posted by imfromsweden

Damn, I wanted to post before results as well

I would just check back river, I see us getting called by hands like KJ or weaker wayyy too often.

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