New must-move table just recently started....so almost no reads here.

9-handed.

$1,100 effective.

I've played with villain @ 2/5 a few times....I would call him taggy....and I would assume he would tighten up a bit @ 5/10.
Not sure if he remembers me....but probably thinks I'm a Tag....even though I'm pretty laggy pre-flop.

3 folds to Hero who looks @ 57 and makes it $35 to go.....Button, SB & BB call.

Pot (140) Flop: 469

2 checks....Hero fires out $75....only SB calls.

Pot (290) Turn: 7

SB checks....Hero continues with $130....SB calls.

Pot (550) River: 3

SB fires out $220 pretty quickly....Hero?

If v is bad id say shove. But if hes competant flat... youre never getting action from anything but a str on this board when you raise river.

easy shove, you're never behind. he doesn't call 58 or 8T preflop and even if he does he doesn't call the flop with a gutshot.

also i'd bet a little bigger on flop and turn, closer to 3/4 pot.

Raise

pretty straight-forward value shove I'd say.

I mean if you think he's blockering and will fold, do something ridiculous like minraise... but I'd just shove.

I agree with the original responder. A shove does no good here. A raise does no good here. No worse hand will call unless villain is trying to make a hero call.

Maybe it folds other striaghts like yours but I really don't see the risk of a raise being outweighed by the reward

If villain is competent, what 5x are you putting him on given the action? I take it you're bluff-shoving here with 100% of your air ainec given your read, right?

55 makes sense.... but yeah youre right there arent too many 5s in his range that make sense.

That said, donking that river is usually very strong. I just find it difficult to believe that he has anything but a straight very often unless hes having some sort of a spaz attack.

Looking at the texture and how he would have to get there with 8t im less adamant...

Just flat raising seems silly. Doubt he has a set.

flat.

given description of villian we are never beat. exactly what risk are you afraid of?

he's not folding a 5 here,only hands we beat that call sets.who would play a set this way.raise or flat doesnt matter you are getting the same value almost always.

No way villian has a set here. I think the most value is something goofy like a min-raise to try and get a crying call from some sort of 2 pair. If villian isn't the type to hero call I just flat though.

I wouldn't raise because I doubt we get paid off by worse or ever fold out a chop, and TBH I think he shows up with 85 or 108 more often than people give credit (even if it's still not very often).

If you shove this river then you are chop blocking not value betting. villain could be turning a pair into a bluff here, most likely he has a straight though. he almost never has a set and he could also easily be slow playing the nut straight on the turn. the people who say he never calls from the SB with T8 or 58..... what games do you guys play in?

This is clearly a call because:
1) you beat all of his bluffs/thin value bets, but they won't call a shove
2) he's NEVER folding a 5
3) decent chance he has a higher straight


What description are you talking about? You mean the sentence where OP describes villain as "taggy"? That one word means he can never have a straight here?

it makes it very unlikely for him to have gotten to the river with a higher str.

This. Except I don't think he has the higher straight as often as you think (although def a non zero % of the time). The logic still holds true.

Also, I check behind on the turn cos of the risk of losing so much equity if you get raised/shoved.

Only shove if villain folds a 5 here...

I don't expect 58, like ever, but 8T makes sense (I'll probably call that flop with 1 over and gutshot (maybe bd flush as well as I would normally only see a flop with 8Ts)).

Vs any normal villain this is a call.

call