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5/10 nl against the donk. 5/10 nl against the donk.

11-28-2011 , 06:58 PM
The orbit before this hand I raised $40 utg and folded to villian in sb who called. Flop was kjxr he check min raises to $120 and bets $100 on turn and river (I fold river). Other than that I haven't seen him really play a hand. He hasn't been at the table long and I can't really tell if he is a fish or is on a higher level and relying on my aggression to vtown/induce.

Hero- Been playing fairly laggy but has not shown down a hand since villian has sat down. I have been cbetting %100 and playing aggressively in position.

Villian has about $1200 I cover.

Pre- I utg raise to $40 with AQs and again folded to sb who calls and bb folds.

Flop ($85)- J95 2 spades. Villian checks, I bet $60 he calls.

Turn ($205)- 10r Villian leads $100, I call?

River ($405)- 9s Villian leads $100 I raise to $325.

Thoughts on hand, especially turn calling vs raising. My reasoning for calling was villian heavily weighted to 2 pair or some speculative hand and I felt that if river doesn't improve me it would be easier to bluff. Honestly felt the player was pretty bad, but it seems most of the time I look someone up in these spots they have a pretty good hand. Also if river plays different, say a c/r or just leads pot how would you proceed?
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11-28-2011 , 07:01 PM
Well played IMO. I think raising the turn<calling turn.. by a lot.
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11-28-2011 , 07:14 PM
Raise the turn.

He seems to have no clue about betting a pot %, and prefers small bets. He has min-raised you previously, so if he min-3bets you on the turn, it's not the end of the world, and you can call with your million outs.

If he calls the raise and you think he has a 2-pair, that's great, you can get good value on the river if you hit, you can save a bluff attempt if you miss.
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11-28-2011 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatsWhatIDo
Raise the turn.

He seems to have no clue about betting a pot %, and prefers small bets. He has min-raised you previously, so if he min-3bets you on the turn, it's not the end of the world, and you can call with your million outs.

If he calls the raise and you think he has a 2-pair, that's great, you can get good value on the river if you hit, you can save a bluff attempt if you miss.
Yes but what happens when he normal 3bets, folding/getting it in here makes me want to vomit.
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11-28-2011 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TimeBomb
Yes but what happens when he normal 3bets, folding/getting it in here makes me want to vomit.
Fish would rarely click it back with a 2p in this spot imo.
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11-28-2011 , 07:50 PM
Yeah don't raise turn, it smacks his range really hard. He's just peeling too often when you raise the turn and there aren't any river cards we can bluff since all the scary ones are our outs.

If river was a K or 8 I think sizing is fine but since he probably doesn't put us on the flush draw as often I think we can get away with making it $500-550 on the river and he'll still pay off almost just as often.
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11-29-2011 , 03:14 AM
Turn is a lot a closer than you guys think. A ton of villain's range is pair + OESD and he's pretty much never folding the turn so you have to stuff the river if you raise OTT. It really depends on whether you think villain will fold river unimproved. I think you also rarely get 3B on turn. I'd be surprised if villain 3bets turn with <straight and he doesn't have a str8 too often.

Raise bigger OTR. If villain led for pot I'd flat and if I bet and got CR I'd fold.
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11-29-2011 , 07:10 PM
I think you played it fine. If he shoves I think you have to give him credit for 55 here, which would explain his bet on the turn as reaction to the scare card. While there a lot of very competent 5/10 players at Commerce, but by and large they are not "thinking" players so you end up with lines like Villian's that are difficult to justify.
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12-02-2011 , 12:45 PM
I dont think I make him try to fold that turn. I like the river sizing.
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12-03-2011 , 06:55 PM
at first i thought this was a mandatory turn raise.

But this hand is against a donk, and donks dont come to the casino to start folding hands they will lead with.

Unless the donk is a donk that folds too much, i like a turn call.
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