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07-11-2014 , 03:28 PM
$1500 eff. My image TAG, tighter than table average. Villains are young grinders as am I. Tight preflop but aggressive postflop. C-bet air and also are capable of double-barreling.

Folds to MP2 who raises $40, I call in CO with AsJs, BB calls.

Flop: QsTs4d Pot ~ $130 BB leads $130, MP2 calls.

I have nut flush, gutshot and one over. I feel that I'm OK with getting it in here. And I feel that I will have significant fold equity. I make it $700. BB goes all in (covers me and MP2), MP2 calls, I call.

Turn: 9s
River: Th

BB shows 44. MP2 shows KhJd. BB takes $4500.

Please provide feedback on all streets and explain why.
07-11-2014 , 04:01 PM
MP2 is optimistic. If he's getting in that hand we should certainly be raising flop for value.
07-11-2014 , 04:02 PM
No need to post results and T or R as decision is on flop.

3b pre would have been an option imo.

Not sure about shoving flop here... you probably need a a ton oft FE and you are vs two players... incl one that donked and that you described as young grinder... But not a huge mistake in my mind. Kind of borderline I guess. High variance.

Flat call flop, assess turn? Flat calling flop def. not a mistake.

Oh and I do not agree with you having "significant" FE here with a 700 raise.
07-11-2014 , 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
MP2 is optimistic. If he's getting in that hand we should certainly be raising flop for value.
MP2 is definitely a guy you want to play with much more.
07-11-2014 , 04:18 PM
With what range of hands are you making it 700 on the flop? Do you think there might be a better size?
07-11-2014 , 04:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
With what range of hands are you making it 700 on the flop? Do you think there might be a better size?
Only draws and only draws that I want to get it in with. If I had a set or 2-pair or if I was just bluff-raising a c-bet I'd make it much less.

I definitely think there may be a better size. But I don't know what and why. That's why I'm here
07-11-2014 , 05:44 PM
I don't really like raising the flop here with a 12 out draw with zero fold equity. When the guy pots the flop there's just no way he's folding much. Flatting flop is best, imo. BTW, don't post results so quick.
07-11-2014 , 06:39 PM
3b pre
call flop
of course it's ok to get it in here though
07-11-2014 , 07:04 PM
Grunch

Don't post results in op.

If you are tight, this has to be a 3 bet for value pre doesnt it?

I personally don't like the shove at all. Generally speaking you're not goanna get called by worse and a set is ahead of you. Your flipping just about against Queens up.

Do you really want fold equity? You hand has so much equity and as played you can get it in OTT when you make the nuts and let the other villains put their $$ in the pot behind.

Flat on the flop, ship turn
07-11-2014 , 07:43 PM
I'm sorry for posting results. My bad.
07-11-2014 , 07:47 PM
Why 3-bet pre is better than a flat?
07-11-2014 , 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Olaff
Why 3-bet pre is better than a flat?
To take control of the hand, capitalise on your image and for value.
07-11-2014 , 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGFISH72
To take control of the hand, capitalise on your image and for value.
+ to play IP heads up vs a TAG
07-11-2014 , 08:42 PM
3betting this only makes sense if you expect him to call you with worse hands (which in live poker at 150bb stacks seems like a reasonable prospect). As played, I'd call on the flop, I generally like to play passively postflop when in position, and more aggressively out of position. We can play turn and river much more effectively with our whole range when in position so getting to later streets is more beneficial to us. If you are worried that people will just check fold turn when the flushdraw hits, just turn more stuff into bluffs. Of course this type of thinking is more relevant online where we get much higher volume and can thus play more with an overarching gameplan. Live can be more about maximally exploiting every individual hand and metagaming the hell out of your opponents.
07-12-2014 , 07:15 AM
If I were to raise the flop, I would probably just shove. 700 puts you in a gross spot if you get one caller, brick the turn, and he shoves. Shoving is a bit transparent because you probably never shove a set or top two but it's live so no need to balance much.

BB's flop lead is quite strong. That's like AQ minimum. I may be a bit results oriented here but I think flatting flop is better because you have direct odds to draw and are thus guaranteed profitability. Your upside to raising the BB is pretty limited but it's quite bad if you run into a set. Another upside to flatting is that you get to cooler lower spades on some turns.
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