Villain 1 is a young swiss player I played the first time with. He seemed to usually play bigger games was gambling it up a lot, straddling, making UTG raises in the dark and even calls in the dark. He played very creative postflop floating a ton even OOP and making a lot of small (like 20-35% pot) donkbets on the flop in multiway pots that worked actually very well for him because everybody seemed to play very straight forward against them. He seemed to be an exellent handreader, doing it a lot by making small bets against polarized ranges and he followed up a lot of these bets with big ones.
Villain 2 I also played the first time. He seemed to be more on the loose side pre and was very passiv and cally postflop. As soon as he invested money he didnt like to let go of his hand but he still folded dome of the time. He also lost a buyin shortly before this hand and propably was tilted up.
Villain 3 is more on the tight aggressive side preflop and kinda passiv postflop but he actually playes quite well.
Hero has TT in BB (forgot the suites), villain 1 is ~3,5k an villain 2 ~1,3k deep, I cover.
Villain 3 opens to 40 in MP2 CO BU(v1) and SB(v2) call, I make it 280, it folds to v1 who calls very quickly, v2 also calls.
flop: J85r, I notice V1 makes a quick glance at his chips shortly but not instantly after the flop hits. V2 checks, I check, V1 bets 160, V2 calls, I make it 780, V1 snapcalls, V2 tanks and calls (he is basically all in)
My thoughtprocess: First of all I check because I think there just isnt a ton of value in betting and V1 might very well float and outplay me later in the hand and I thought he propably would call a bet or bet himself because of his glance. I didnt want to read to much into it and I knew he doesnt have to flop a very good hand to continue this deep. There is also a chance he noticed I was watching him and was trying to fake strenght altough I think thats pretty unlikely.
His bet could mean a variety of things:
1. he sets up a possible bluff especially if he gets HU on the turn. He seemed to be doing this a ton but I thought it was much less likely based on his tell.
2. He has a weak made hand, that is basically any pair under the J, he makes one of his feeler bets with. He actually never made a small flop bet like this IP before just OOP a lot and it also makes OOP a lot more sense because you dont give your opponents an additional action. Just the fact that this bets makes turnbluffs much more effective especially against V2 and hero almost never has a hand he was planning to c/r except maybe a set of Jacks. The fact that he doesnt protect against straightdraws that are not very likely but certainly possible for both his opponents made me believe he had a hand that blocked a lot of straightouts and the only 2 hands for that are 99 or TT. 99 also seemes to make a lot of sence cause of his very quick call pre.
3. He has a J and he makes a feeler bet with. I dont think thats too likely because a J (especially with the A kicker) seemes pretty strong against both our ranges based on the passiv play of V2 pre and my check on the flop. It would be a very weird check with an overpair for hero. Hero cant expect V1 to make a bet that light, its hard for him to get away from against 2 bets (and thats all it needs to get me pot commited for all my chips) and c/raising against a normal bet doesnt really accomplish anything (yes there is a chance to get a herocall but it still would be such a weird move to make for a bluff except maybe 9T or 67 that it looks kinda strong). Betting on the other hand just gets a lot of value and perfectly reps a cbet with a weak hand I squeesed with. So betting this small with a J gets a lot less value from V2 just based on V2 is fishy and would read 2 smaller bets as stronger than just a bigger one.
I didnt think V1 ever bets a set this small cause it would suck against both his villains in my opinion. He can pot commit V2 with just one medium bet like 600 and will get a lot more calls for it than for the almost pot size all in second barrel on the turn. And against hero he is so deep that if hero somehow has a hand he wants to get some money in thats way easier with a bigger bet that still can be very small (like 360).
V2 range seemed pretty wide just because he was a very cally guy and propably would call as light as 66 against this tiny bet altough I wasnt sure how wide his preflop range was in that spot (propably a little bigger than usuall cause of hi recent losses). He playes that passiv that he also might very well have a stronger hand like a J or 99 or maybe even QQ (unlikely but possible).
I think my raise really reps almost nothing and the fact he made such a tiny bet makes it much more likely hero is doing a monkeybluff in that spot. I honestly wasnt expecting V1 to ever give up here even if he missed the flop. He would propably call one bet and based on the turn card deside if he bluffs the turn or the river. But im actually not expecting him to valuebet a Jack on future streets (maybe AJ) against a seemingly very polarized range.
Second reason for my raise is that v2 propably folds most jacks against this raise and a call. So I am valuebetting one player and bluffing the other one. But I couldnt really be sure of that because he really didnt like to fold in previous hands and I dont have a lot of history with him.
First big question is if you guys think he will call me crazy light in this spot? His previos playingstyle made me think that but maybe he sees me having an overpair much more often than I thouht. Second question is if you think he might see through my play if it gets HU and I check twise and valuebets a J even if he just has a T or a Q as a kicker.
Turn is a 7 that puts 2hearts out there. V2 ships the 280€ he still has, I call (any merits in trying to bluff V1 of a better hand and hoping to win HU? Propably not but does anyone think otherwise?), V1 calls
River is obviously a 9
. What size should I bet? Anyone prefers a check?
Last edited by jlocdog; 10-19-2010 at 02:57 PM.
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