Background: Villain in this hand is relatively unknown to Hero but appeared to be playing TAG until...About 30 minutes ago he lost a big pot and has been pushing harder and harder over the last orbit in an effort to get it back. He showed a spewtastic triple barrel against a TAG and lost right before this hand:

Villain in UTG+1: $1500
Hero Button: covers

Villain raises to $30, two callers to Hero.

Hero looks down at 10,9. Hero raises to $120 to isolate Villain as two callers are TAG and will not likely call the 3bet. Folds to Villain, he calls, others fold to flop Heads-Up.

Pot = $315
Flop = J, 8, 3

Villain leads for $300.
Hero?

Obviously not folding...thinking of just shipping? Is it generally players experience that tilting players that lead in this spot are more or less likely fold to aggression? I find myself trying to play pots against tilted players as they love to get crazy. Should I just be value shipping tpgk+ here or should I mix in some semi-bluffs? I guess I am asking if you lose or gain FE when playing against tilting players in this and similar spots.

Thanks for the input.

kinda interesting. i guess flatting and seeing what happens ott is kinda nice.
personally from what ive seen (and done in tilting situations) that if he has something hes gonna gii
i kinda like flatting and playing turns here

Agree with ebet33. I def. wouldn't raise as any range getting it in on this flop has you in pretty bad shape.

Building off the above, I would probably check back the flop if he checked the flop to you. If he c/r you on this flop, you are almost never a favorite if it goes all in on the flop.

I think flat and call off on hearts and 9x and Tx turns that aren't a diamond is prob ok here. Making a straight would be cool too.

I don't think you have much FE in this spot especially vs tilt/spewy, I'd prolly just flat and hope a 7h peels.

i dont like raising because i dont think V is folding very often. i think if V is tilted he is leading with any Jx hands and flush draws and if hes tilting he is going to gii with those hands which for the most part have you beat.

i feel like some of your outs could be dirty so even if you hit a straight with Qd or 7d i would still play cautiously

3betting pre is quite spewy. You are shortening effective stacks with a hand that is weaker than villain's range, in a spot where villain isn't going to fold much post-flop and you will rarely make hands that are solidly ahead of him.

The advantage of 3betting hands like 9Ts preflop is when villain folds to continued postflop aggression, not because they are "good hands" or "flop well". About half the time when 3betting 9Ts preflop is profitable, so is 3betting 27o.

If you think 3betting is likely to get the pot heads up vs the fish I think this is by far the best option.

How often are you 3betting 27o? I can't think of many profitable spots to do so.

we get the pot heads up here, but this player (even if normally a fish) becomes not a fish under these exact circumstances.

1. he is likelier than most to 4bet, in which case we lose lots of money right away
2. if we cbet the flop, he will usually put up a fight. if we check back the flop he will usually bet the turn.
3. our equity against his range is not great on most flops and spr is too low to give up often

I am guessing I 3bet 27o about 1% of the time I am dealt it. It usually involves people who never 4bet and fold to 3bets and cbets too much, especially if for some reason they think I don't 3bet much.

I'm jamming flop, you have tons of fold equity still (and raw equity obviously) against a tilted player, but no sd value.

Potentially getting jammed on OTT and not allowing yourself to see five cards here is a disaster.

I'd consider flatting if villains donk was smaller.

its not a bit deep to just pile here? but it is such a huge lead that it kinda sucks to flat and fold ott
shoving was my first thought but also was like meh it sucks to gii vs tp here

Where's this game? Must be nice to have a losing spewing monkey, a couple of passive flatcallers, and a reg being tilted by the tilter to start considering getting it in with little equity when the tilter is most likely not folding after putting in 35% of his stack..(def not any draws, not any TP, and since you got T9 he doesn't have much of TT/99 in his range to fold either)

I mean you can literally print money in this game by the look of it..

^^^at probably every single b&m card room in the country? lol where do you play where this isnt the case? will try to never play there ever

maybe its just me but I wouldn't 3bet just to iso fish. 10h 9h plays better multi way and you have position on the 2 other TAG anyway. I would pick a better spot to iso fish.

After making the 3bet I say you should flat and see next card. alot of the time Vil has TP from donk bet i believe?

Needs move love. Epic post here

Don't like 3b pre, hand doesn't play well heads up and were in position; T9s is a hand we want multiway

Flop depends on stack sizes, most tilted villains will still fold this flop if you show enough strength, if you flat they will convince themselves you can fold turn and shove

ha you're right though, I do play in some ****ty games sometimes.. 3 winning live regs 4 winning online regs including a couple of SNEs 1 player who sometimes spews but not all the time and 1 unknown who ends up being a winning player = typical table sometimes.

and yes I'm in the process of GTFO of here..

yea seems like a pretty good reason to go find another game. the whole point of playing live full ring is to play higher against worser comp
i mean yea i like playing in tough lineups sometimes for funzies and competition but doing it regularly cant be smart livepro protocol

I think id probably ship the flop, but i wouldnt have 3bet this hand pre in the first place

I would def be 3-betting a hand like pocket 66 or some sort of weaker ace like A6s, but not 3-betting a hand that plays so poorly heads up and so well in multi-way pots if you are not getting any fold equity here.

Another thing to consider... If you just call, you give him an opportunity to get away with a bluff and get himself off tilt. Shove it here and hope he either folds or (even better) he calls and you hit. I think a hidden advantage to this is your going to take a steaming player and send him into orbit.

I'd shove. I actually think hes bluffing here a lot more than other people seem to think. Allowing him to continue that bluff on the turn is kind of disaster.