I have 3.3k, villain covers or is very close to covering.

Hero opens 35 UTG with A Q Villain calls UTG+1, HU to flop

Pot: 80
Flop: Q 8 4 I bet 50, he makes it 150, I call
Pot 380
Turn: 8 check/350/call
Pot: 1080
River: K check/550/1600 with about ~1.2k behind

Hero is new player where everyone knows each other. In the four hours or so I was there I won a couple nice pots, lost a big pot, but have shown down big hands. Villain is a good live reg in the game, he's mostly stayed out of my way in the four hours I was there. I was 3bet once utg+1 or something v utg+2 where I folded pre. No other history.

Comments or other streets appreciated as well.

fold turn?

Fold turn

What are we putting villain on to auto fold this turn? 44? Not saying that a turn fold is bad, but what are we putting villain on here? Our pfr and cbet are pretty small in terms of bb's, then with the turn check, does villain smell weakness? Does he put us on AK? 8x in his range? Maybe. Obviously he 3b AA/KK and we have a blocker to QQ.

For the sake of discussion....

There is a chance he could be putting us on AK. 8x is probably not in his range here. That being said, I still fold turn. It kinda seems like he's valuetowning AA/KK.

If I read your action right you raised his river bet of 550 to 1600?

What are you representing here that would check call his pot size turn bet and check-raise river card of K? I just crying call his river bet. Hero (in villains eyes) doesn't show up here w/flush or FH. Quads?

Holy ???? I thought you were asking us whether to check, donk 550, or overbet 1600 on river....

Now I see you have C/R?! You pretty much trying to rep exactly KK.

I dont get it, you want him to fold what exactly? Unless he's folding 4s full here, you get snapped or you're bluffing with the best hand.

think you need to fold the turn.....think villans gonna show up with flushes/fullhouses a good % of the time and clearly he wont fold those.

you're repping like KK only if you even call the turn with KK no spade (obv). Not sure what you were thinking on this river. You need to think about the hands you're repping and whether you can ever have them. Would you flat QQ OOP here on this board? doubtful...

The better question is does villain expect you to fold AA/KK on that turn card? Your hand looks way more like those two than AK. Are you saying you would have made it 60 pre, and then bet pot on that dry flop with AA?

i don't this is the time to turn a bluffcatcher into a bluff since there are very few hands better than yours that villain will be folding (otherwise, you're just bluffing with the best hand). villains range seems polarized

i mean, villain is repping exactly AA KK 88 44 here if we count our Q blocker as excluding QQ from his range...

so decide how often he flats AA/KK UTG+1, and if he ever makes a suicide bluff line in this spot, and then call or fold river imo.

It sounds like a really read-based hand. Pretty sure I'm calling or folding the river only though.

To be fair, I think you can get villain to fold a flush. I'm just not sure how often he shows up with one.

okay, lets go through the hand street by street.

pre: std
flop: I think it's pretty standard. 3betting seems silly but I am open to listening to what you guys have to say.
turn: Folding seems way too weak esp with the 8 making it less likely he has 88. He's not repping esp wide here. is the consensus really to fold turn?
River: What is he really bluffing with here? Even if he barreled the turn with a FD he got there on the river. Shouldn't this be a fold or raise instead of a fold or call. Calling seems pretty bad here.

Villain's hand looks a lot like AA/KK or a bluff that turned/rivered something. I guess you could get Aces to fold, but that's a pretty small portion of his range. Good luck trying to re-bluff someone who just bluffed his way into a flush.

I don't think pre is debatable.

You could pot control this dry flop as you are pretty likely wa/wb. C/c is fine as is b/c. Doesn't matter too much, but b/3b seems atrocious.

Turn is not a fold unless he's a SNIT. C/c is standard.

The river is a good card to 3 barrel (you thought he was likely 2 barreling when you called the turn, right?), so c/c seems more than ok IMO. The most important question to ask is, "What hands is he betting river with that are better than AQ that he is folding to a c/r?" You are repping the narrowest...

you got it right in the title

am i reading this correctly?

you c/raised river?

If this is $5/10, and you are ch/r river, then this is def. FPS!

Since we are wa or wb on flop would it not be nice to try find out which (not so much to "find out where you're at" but moreso for the sake of stack management/preservation/get more $ in with likely best hand)? I'd consider making a 380ish re-reraise here. He prob folds--ok result for our holding. If this particular player raises, it's not going to be with worse imo--we fold and preserve almost 90% of our stack--no tough decisions with deep stacks and tptk. If he calls, we can play poker on later streets knowing that he means business with this hand.

As played, it really seems that he has nothing and is making a position play or backed into a flush. If we call, we beat nothing or next to nothing easily. If we raise, can he ever really fold a flush that got there, even though the c/r looks insanely strong (agree with repping KK almost exclusively). I think he levels himself into calling even though he might think he's beat.

Really though, I like the play. It's fun. Have never tried it--but I might. Guess it depends what happened

results:

I didn't C/R the river cuz i'm a vag. I ended up c/c the river and was shown 87cc.

I do think river is a good spot to c/r if he has flushes/8x in his range. If he's going to bluff the flop some amount of the time, we can expect him to show up with a flush here as well too, right?

Yeah, but he's going to call the c/r with those hands a lot because you are repping so little and people just hate being bluffed/folding. A friend of mine told me a long time ago, "DGAF, just because you know what they have doesn't mean you get to win..."

That was kind of a light bulb moment for me and I refer to it often when I'm about to spew off against someone with a capped, bluff-catching range.

How is he gonna put you on a flush? The Q is out there and unless you normally call raises OOP with gutshots or complete air you're repping exactly KK/QQ. I mean maybe if the money means a lot he might put you on a boat and fold but don't be surprised when he doesn't believe you floated the flop with airball and rivered a high flush.