This is in an 'underground' live game in Tel Aviv (poker is illegal here).

Hero covers everyone at table, UDG has ~ 2.2k, BTN has 1,325

UDG is a huge fish - will see almost all flops, regardless of preflop betting, but is surprisingly nitty postflop. I purposely play many pots with him IP simply because he c/f so frequently, and is never calling 3 barrels with worse than top 2 (really strange considering high VPIP)

Haven't played too much with BTN. He sat down maybe 4 orbits ago, and has 3bet relatively tight players 3 times, showing QQ once when it all went in on 923r flop, c/f flop 78Ksss and no showdown the other.

Dealt to Hero Qd7d

UDG raise to 40, Hero (UDG +1) raise to 155, 4 folds, BTN raise to 325, UDG folds, Hero calls.

The question here isn't about 3betting an UDG open with Q7ss - I'm sure that this is profitable for me against this specific player. The question is, how bad is it to flat this min 4bet OOP with a weak hand like Q7dd?

I also think there is a small chance BTN didn't see my 3bet - the 3 previous times he 3bet, it was between 4-5x, so maybe he was 6x the initial raise, but that seems like a stretch.

I guess the min 4bet from someone who typically re-raises bigger might be suggestive of AA/KK?

Will post flop action after comments.

Please provide some opinions more than "Bad" "+1" "Terrible" etc...explanations and opinions as to why this is bad, or terrible, or good (I doubt it) would be much appreciated.


NOTE: The 5.5x open raise is 100% standard in this game

you want to play OOP with Q7s with a PSB left and you need someone to give you more explanation besides "this is lolbad"?

I wouldn't bother with any post flop action, it's completely irrelevant.

So in this kind of spot, the fact we're getting 3-1 is completely irrelevant?

EDIT: Not letting me edit the 1st post for some reason...Eddi is obviously right about postflop being irrelevant - I would remove that comment now if I could. Still curious about above question.

You're not outflopping him nearly often enough to call here. Just not deep enough to call, look silly to the rest and muck your hand pre

i think its pretty irrelevant. QJ or QT suited would be more interesting cause you can flop better draws and stuff i guess

how many players just curious really

fold to the 4b

its like real bad.

Are you trying to show him who is the boss? If yes, then real good move.

The game was 9 - handed.


I'm not 'trying to show him who's boss' or anything like that. The main question here wast basically just if getting 3-1 is completely irrelevant when our hand sucks and we're OOP.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.741% 26.47% 00.27% 16773096 168619.50 { Qd7d }
Hand 1: 73.259% 72.99% 00.27% 46244913 168619.50 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

And I think his range sometimes includes AQs and TT (though this changes our equity very little).

Is it irrelevant because this is 3-1 for the entire hand, whereas we need to hit the flop well enough to get it in?

Let me guess- UDG is maor "coco", BTN is mackenecky ?
well you made me courious who you are, i have never seen a local poster here in 2+2
are you Anderson ? jeez i'm curios.. Rafi ?
well, as a really light 3 bettor in those games, you will find better spots then that to 3 bet light.. esp because he is UTG.
Def fold to the 4 bet, and it's not even close.. if you'll decide to ship it on the flop, you have no fold equity since it's only psb left and he will have you beat allmost all the time .

מי אתה ?

Check your PM

This assumes you see all 5 cards.

Why is it profitable to re-raise a fish who you say likes to see a lot of flops, who raises UTG? Fish who like flops just call call and rarely raise especially UTG.

When the button raises, I think it's a fold or shove. Calling seems like the worst of the three options.

this is lolbad^^ first poster!
and the range is wayyyyy off lol, cold 4betting small is always QQ+(maybe even KK+) for live cash players. if they raise preflop it usually a tight range, let alone cold 4betting range.

and ofc there is the SPR(him having a bit over a PSB on flop).

Flop is QQ7 rainbow. What should we do?

Man I wish the live poker playes would go away.