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Originally Posted by chilidog0425
why? you really want to blow up this pot with an overpair? by checking back on the flop you: pot control, induce, get value from small pairs later, etc. i would for sure bet/call with 9x, or AX.
your AT high on the flop is likely the best hand, but can you stand a c/r? (i guess you can since you did bet/call......). you have position and get to decide how big you want the pot to be. why are we inflating with A high?
on the river, what two cards can he have after his flop c/r that don't connect with this turn/river? i think after catching the villian bluffing within the past hour, you should give him credit here and fold. ie, he's less likely to bluff you since you caught him recently.
i don't think he's turning KT / QT into a bluff on the river. the hands that he could be bluffing the river with are stuff like: 45, 34, A4. not enough combos for you to call profitably here.
Chili,
It is very possible that I misplayed this hand, but I really disagree with most of what you wrote.
Most of the points you are making would counsel in favor of never making a continuation bet with any hand when you miss the flop, which I'm sure is not how you play.
I am not simply inflating for the sake of inflating. As you pointed out, I am likely ahead on the flop on a drawy board against a Villain who has been playing a lot of hands post flop. If we were deeper, pot control might take precedence over charging draws, but we really aren't that deep.
Also, if I check behind on the flop, Villain is likely to assume that Ax is a big part of my range, and that may cause him to get sticky with hands like 77, 66, etc. (this was one of the reasons you advocated checking behind on the flop with an overpair -- note that it cuts against me when I don't have a pair).
It's easy to be results oriented after knowing that I was CR'ed, but as a matter of fact, a CR was not at all likely here. Frankly, I can't think of a single hand other than 9x that Villain would CR for value here. [FWIW, I would like his play if he CR'ed with 9x here.] With these stack sizes, I thought a CR with random diamonds also was very unlikely. A CR from Villain here is either (a) 9x, (b) air, (c) a combo draw that is content to get it, or (d) an attempt to freeze me up on the turn so he can get to showdown with a hand like 66, 77, 67 or 78.
I really disagree with you as to Villain's bluffing range range on the river. If he showed up with a diamond draw, it was going to be JT or 67, nothing else. I don't think that he would have risked getting 3-bet on the flop with a random diamond draw.
Maybe you believe that the river is an even clearer foldf if I take hands like A
4
out of the equation.