So this hand is pretty simple and not much to it...but I wasn't sure how clear cut the right play is OTF

5/10 game, 7 handed, at about 10 pm on a Thursday night

PFR (1500) is an Asian guy I used to play with at 2/5. I've always thought of him as a nitty, boring, passive, limpy reg, who sometimes does random stuff.

other dude (covers us both) I haven't seen before because I only recently moved up from 2/5 but he had the look of a solid reg who's comfortable with the stakes and knows what he's doing

hero(2k) Just bought in maybe an orbit ago. Mid 20s white dude. Probably have the grinder/reg look

the hand:

The asian dude opens to 60, other dude flats, I flat bb w 88

flop 866cc: PFR cbets 125 into 185, other dude raises to 450, hero...

pretty dream scenario obv but a bit tricky. No matter what I do I look super strong. FWIW in game I thought that flatting might look scarier than 3betting the flop because if I had a hand like a6 I would 3bet because of the clubs, but IDK.

Does it matter what I do here?

What is the asian guy doing with AA here or other overpairs?

call

Here I usually just raise and try to cooler someone. Being oop you can't really control turn play and doing smth like flat/lead turn seems meh
So I prolly just raise and hope he has a 6 or a hand he's not folding

Ok cool so I got 2 people who say different things...nice. I'll post results sometime before my session tomorrow

Raising gets money in before a scare card comes. If there wasn't clubs then call.

Call, I think.

Shove.

If you think other guy will have half a brain and be able to fold 6x then just call and ch non club turns and lead small club turns. if he just cant fold 6x then raise. dont think were ever getting anymore from asian guy unless hes asian guy that will go broke with AA/KK here then flat otherwise if he has half a brain hes gonna fold to the 450 no matter what

Call. I mean if UTG opens 6x he might as well be bad enough to do something silly if hero "just calls"; less likely so if he shoves. Also I think that presence of a flush draw favors calling more than raising in this spot, not the other way around. IMO.

While calling does "look" super strong, stronger than raising even (to competent players), it still allows the most spazz from Asain.

I mean I saw almost this exact scenario play out the other night. UTG $30 pre, 2 ip callers. Flop 234hh, utg $90, mp $200, btn (tight, good player) FLATS, UTG tank jams $1K w/AA. People spazz alot in live poker and AA is the top spazz hand and flush draws are the top spazz boards.

Us being OOP is kinda meh but SPR will be such that dah monies is getting...and potentially a lot of it if we flat.

I didn't know if the dude who made it 450 would be able to fold once I 3bet. My thought process aligned with bubonic play and I thought that I should try to get the money in before a club comes, so I 3bet, the PFR SNAP jams, and the reg tanked for at least 5 minutes and ended up folding. The board came out turn 9 river A, and I was still good somehow, lol.

The more I think about it, the more I think I should call and then just lead half pot on turn and shove river, but I'm not sure if I should be upset with myself or not for 3betting, and in this particular case it doesn't matter that much because the PFR shipped anyway, lol.

This is very results oriented thinking. And if we are going that route, results show we did not take the most profitable line. (We flat, Asain jams, reg has less of a snap fold with 6x)

You flopped the unbeatable nuts, being worried about a club coming 18% of the time ott as a scare card with what will be an SPR of ~1 - 1.5 is pretty silly.

Also a club isn't always bad and sometimes it's even a gin card

I don't see how call and check can't be by far the best option.

Call.

Phew. I thought I'd gone insane

I don't think we should even have a raising range. It's not like we really wanna get in 200 bb with 9Tcc.

It would be tempting to fast play A6 since it's a more vulnerable hand that still is way ahead of ranges.

It might just be me, but this opponent sounds devilishly handsome...

Only problem is most people aren't calling with it here either.

I think op can only expand his continue range with combo draws, so he should decide what he thinks they think is the way he would continue if he had 97cc or whatever, and then he should do that.

edit: most people should flat here and pray. Some should raise imo.

lol was the hand vs you? What did you have?

haha I've been tilted that I didn't flat ever since the hand occurred

you guys are right, I made a ginormous mistake, ugh. thx everyone for the replies

I'd flat. You have 6x smashed, and A6/86 is committing to the hand either way, so you should focus on maximizing against the weaker 6x hands by giving them a chance to make unders full or overvalue their hand. Keeping PFR's overpairs and both players dead FDs in seems like a big benefit too. Bluffing/semibluffing here seems suicidal, so I'm not sure we should have a 3b range in this spot given these factors.

call flop

check/call turn
lead river I think is best...

It's not a big mistake at all your range is gonna be rly
Narrow no matter what you do herE (and insanely strong)

Agree with this. But I might even just fold a big draw on the flop.