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5/10 Live: Dare I bluff a nit? 5/10 Live: Dare I bluff a nit?

05-31-2011 , 12:33 AM
Villain is south american and is playing extremely snug. We haven't played any pots of note. So far from what I've noticed of his play is he is very fit or fold. He's not tricky at all and won't check flops and then delay barrel or anything like that. He either bet/bet/bets when he has a value hand or just checks it down unimproved as the PFR. I've only seen his hand at showdown once where he had AJ on AAJKx and stacked a whale's AQ. We've only played a couple of heads up pots together. We were playing about 6k effective when he limped UTG, i made it $50 UTG+2 with black 55 and that picked up two callers and when the action came around to him he made it $350. I gave him credit for a premium since he's so tight and decided to setmine in position. He checked dark and flop came down AQ3dd, i checked back and he bet $500 on a 7x turn and I folded. We also played a hand where I opened J9ss in the CO and he 3-bet me to $110. I called and flop was AA3cc, chk chk, turn Jc, chk chk, river blank chk chk and my hand is good.

Worth noting is that he did the limp/reraise again later in a hand where I wasn't involved and everyone fold when he went to muck his hand it hit the dealer's hand and one card was exposed showing a J

My image is really LAG. The table is really tight except for two super whales that the game is built around. No one has been playing back at me so I've constantly been able to raise a wide range from every position. I've gotten caught barrelling some bluffs but I've also showed some monster hands that I played tricky. One hand worth noting that villain saw is I raised to $50 after an UTG+1 post with QQ and got flatted in the SB by the tightest player at the table. Flop was AQ7r, chk chk, turn is a T he bets $90 into $120 and I call. River is a 3 (no flush) and he bets $270 into $300 and i tank ship for $1,700 total and he snaps with 77 so i have shown up with the goods. Villain also saw me bet/bet/shove AA against a whale on T9652r and my hand was good. So my image is whatever.

Anyways we're at least 6k effective when this hand comes up. I open in HJ to $40 with 6 6

Villain 3-bets to $140 from the BU

This is the third time I've been 3-bet him but I don't feel like he's getting copmletely out of line yet even tho i've been opening tons and tons of pots. I think he mostly has a value range here but maybe a little bit wider cause it's me

Flop is J 5 4

I check/call his $210 bet into $290

Turn is T

Check, he bets $520 into $710 and i kind of want to check/raise here cause I think he's bet/folding with that sizing a lot. What say you 2p2? Only thing I'm worried about is him having some combo draw here that will flat the c/r and eval the river but i think he folds a huge chunk of his value range on the turn here (KJ/AJ/overpairs/54) and also helps if he folds something that has lots of equity against my hand AQ/AK unlikely he has 55/44 since he would flat with whale in the blinds. BTW he's not smart enough to flat premiums to keep the fish in the pot.
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05-31-2011 , 12:52 AM
ehh you said he is pretty fit or fold so I kinda think he has 10s + here most of time with 10s and Js now being sets, I dont really like running a bluff here. I would give up. I thinking making him fold QQ -AA is possible but I dont want to try it here with 2 outs when called. I would fold turn as played,
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05-31-2011 , 12:57 AM
Another thing to consider would you like it better at all if we had the 6 since that cuts down on some of his pre-flop bluffs that may have turned combo draws?
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05-31-2011 , 01:14 AM
fold: 1) you're out of position, 2) when your c/r is called or 3 bet on the turn you likely have zero or close to zero equity, 3) you told us he bet/bets/bets when he has it and checks behind when he misses. everything is telling you to fold an under pair here.

it would be a creative bluff, yes. but is it +EV? i can't see how it would be.
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05-31-2011 , 02:30 AM
why do u think the turn bet size indicates a b/f?
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05-31-2011 , 02:52 AM
I think given he's somewhat thinking and kind of tight if he had a hand as strong as 2pair+ he might bet smaller to induce from an aggro villain such as myself since I'm never really drawing here besides maybe 67s or 63s and have basically no hearts in my range. Maybe i'm levelin' myself tho
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05-31-2011 , 06:05 AM
What do you want to bluff him off? His turn bet is pretty polarized imo/I don't think he has one pair. Call>fold>>>raise. Also, he doesn't sound that nitty to me, but in general nits are the only ones worth bluffing these days.
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05-31-2011 , 11:07 AM
If you're even considering check-raising the turn, why didn't you just 4-bet pre?
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05-31-2011 , 11:47 AM
In general very snug players HATE folding big pairs after they waited 3 months to find one. Calling this flop bet OOP seems opposite of the correct plan due to his notes. Getting creative on this turn seems like another disaster about to happen.

I guess if you really want to put some huge BB's at risk you may fold some value range out somewhere along the line here, but I see no reason to stretch that far. Seems more like a "win every pot" type syndrome rather than being creative in an opportune spot.
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05-31-2011 , 12:11 PM
tldr bc im' about to ge ton an airplane but if you're going to bluff anyone, make it a nit. sers

am interested to read more when i get to the city
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05-31-2011 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by tcmNOWAY
If you're even considering check-raising the turn, why didn't you just 4-bet pre?
Can you explain this in further detail?

Your description of the hand is very detailed which helps. As someone else said he doesn't seem that nitty (preflop). He limp reraised without aces or kings. He also 3bet without a strong value hand. (guess he could have tt). I don't think he has a hand like aces or kings here with that big of a bet. It looks more like a draw or a big made hand. It seems like op would agree that it's unlikely hes on a stone bluff here. Not sure what op thinks he would do with hands like ak, aq. Would he even bet the flop? If so would he bet this turn? Would he bet the river on a blank with a missed draw? I would have to much uncertainty to do anything but fold here.
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05-31-2011 , 02:15 PM
Fold pre.
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05-31-2011 , 02:47 PM
Fold pre seems insane given we're 600 bbs deep
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05-31-2011 , 04:35 PM
Check raise on turn with a size that you can pot all in on river.
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05-31-2011 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by novel20
Check raise on turn with a size that you can pot all in on river.
if you do c/r turn i agree with leaving yourself with enough for a credible bet on the river. (anything approaching a psb)

however, after reading through the history and his tendencies, i just don't think this is the best spot. yeah, he may have 3b light b/c of your wide range /image but what is really important is whether or not you think he's capable of folding the OP?
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05-31-2011 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by catch thirtythree
Fold pre seems insane given we're 600 bbs deep
MMmm. I love playing against players who call 3bets oop with small pairs. It lets me 3bet to have position, initiative, and I likely have the best hand.

One could make a good case for calling against someone who only 3bets the nuts preflop or can't fold an overpair in a 3bet pot, but villain doesn't appear to be this sort of player.
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05-31-2011 , 11:50 PM
if i'm doing this, i'm ready to empty the clip
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06-01-2011 , 01:06 AM
Keep stacking whales, fold flop versus villain, end thread?
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06-01-2011 , 09:07 AM
Omg, those advocating c/r shove, when was the last time you bluffed off 6k in a spot like this (oop, no draw, vs a barreling pf3b) at 5-10? Also, please name some of the hands in villain's range that are calling the turn c/r and folding to a river shove.
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06-01-2011 , 02:11 PM
Yeah, I am with DGAF here. I don't see how a cr turn/shove river line is good here. Plus, the way you described the guy is that he is "fit or fold"...these types of plyers don'e bet 3/4 pot on turn with air after 3betting preflop and c-betting.

As you described, the game isn't built around this guy. Fold turn and go whale hunting....
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