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01-28-2011 , 06:10 AM
villain is super loose passive, prob playing like 50/5. station after flop, calls down with bottom pair, but seems you can barrel him off hands. if he raises, he has something close to the nuts.

i'm playing a little laggy, i think he thinks i'm always FOS. villain starts hand with ~1200, i cover.

folds to hero in sb, RAISE to 25 with QTo
villain calls from bb

flop: AKJr

hero bets 30, villain raises to 130 {boner}

i'm guessing he would 3b AA / KK pre 100%, AK / JJ 75%, Ax / Kx 0%. this is at least 2p.

hero reraises to 320, villain calls

turn: K

hero ???

Last edited by kwansolo; 01-28-2011 at 06:34 AM. Reason: villain called from bb
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01-28-2011 , 06:29 AM
What position is villian? Did he limp call or call in the big blind?
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01-28-2011 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by chilidog0425
What position is villian? Did he limp call or call in the big blind?
fixed hh. he called from bb.
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01-28-2011 , 12:22 PM
Stack sizes are too awkward to bet the turn. If he had more you could bet/fold turn but here you have to check/eval. If he has AJ he will prob. check and then you can valuetown the river.
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01-28-2011 , 12:34 PM
Why 320? Why not more, why not less?
Did you have a plan for if he called and the board paired?

And as a live player, I've got to ask: do you have any physical tells on the villain?
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01-28-2011 , 12:37 PM
Raise bigger, bet bigger, raise bigger. He thinks u r FOS, right? Come on, kwan...

As played, check/play poker imho.
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01-28-2011 , 12:53 PM
well you have AQ, AT, and AJ beat and in awful shape, the rest of his range you're drawing dead against... so its a clear check.
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01-28-2011 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
Raise bigger, bet bigger, raise bigger. He thinks u r FOS, right? Come on, kwan...

As played, check/play poker imho.
Yeah, I thought my reraise on flop was too small right after I did it, but I was hoping to induce a shove, which I guess is a little optimistic. Initial raise and cbet kinda standard sized for me tho...
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01-28-2011 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Maskk
Why 320? Why not more, why not less?
Did you have a plan for if he called and the board paired?

And as a live player, I've got to ask: do you have any physical tells on the villain?
if he was hesitant to put chips in, he had a marginal pair or a draw. raise like stated in OP is a big hand, at least 2p here. on turn, i didn't see him do anything peculiar in reaction to the card.
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01-28-2011 , 01:55 PM
Didn't you state he's a calling station postflop?

Why not charge.him as much as possible? IMO raise flop larger especially if you think two pair + ...and bet flop larger.

I also agree raise larger pre...what was reasoning for this semi minraise against a loose passive?

I also agree stacks are alittle awkward so check turn.
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01-28-2011 , 02:03 PM
when it's bvb, and sometimes when it folds to my button, i like making it a bit smaller to get action. bad?

i also often make smaller bets postflop (not really smaller, but ~2/3 pot and other standard bet sizing) because i don't want to scare people off, or cause myself to lose a later street of action. i was just thinking that this type of balancing against fish is not only mostly unnecessary, but probably costing me quite a bit of profit. that being said, when i overbet, i usually see people raise an eyebrow and go on high alert...
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01-28-2011 , 08:45 PM
I don't think it's bad, but you may steal fewer blinds. I think stealing a lot of blinds is a great thing. The easier you get money without resistance the better in my opinion.

Secondly, you have the button, why not play slightly bigger pots? I know you like to keep the pot smalls pre flop and use your advantage post flop, and I agree with that philosophy for the most part. The thing is, if you raise 35/40, you're still playing a relatively small pot, but you're gaining a lot more value in the long run because you're going to win the most money over the course of your poker career, when you have the button. More steals = more money Bigger pots = more money.

You can always adjust bet sizing on the flop and turn to your advantage. Most people, even REGS don't see the subtlety of bet sizing live, because they don't have an exact gauge on the pot size.
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01-29-2011 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by kwansolo
when it's bvb, and sometimes when it folds to my button, i like making it a bit smaller to get action. bad?

i also often make smaller bets postflop (not really smaller, but ~2/3 pot and other standard bet sizing) because i don't want to scare people off, or cause myself to lose a later street of action. i was just thinking that this type of balancing against fish is not only mostly unnecessary, but probably costing me quite a bit of profit. that being said, when i overbet, i usually see people raise an eyebrow and go on high alert...
When you have a LAG/fos image, you needn't worry about scaring off action with big bets. Also, I agree with/also like making it smallish when opening on the button, but not oop (in the sb).
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01-29-2011 , 03:28 AM
I don't mind opening small against this guy, but generally it's awful.

I think you get him to call any two with this sizing and then you can barrel him off from most of them which is more ev+.

Last edited by Imaginary F(r)iend; 01-29-2011 at 03:49 AM.
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01-29-2011 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kwansolo
villain is super loose passive, prob playing like 50/5. station after flop, calls down with bottom pair, but seems you can barrel him off hands. if he raises, he has something close to the nuts.

i'm playing a little laggy, i think he thinks i'm always FOS. villain starts hand with ~1200, i cover.

folds to hero in sb, RAISE to 25 with QTo
villain calls from bb

flop: AKJr

hero bets 30, villain raises to 130 {boner}

i'm guessing he would 3b AA / KK pre 100%, AK / JJ 75%, Ax / Kx 0%. this is at least 2p.

hero reraises to 320, villain calls

turn: K

hero ???
I'd probably just flat pre so you don't shut yourself out of a pot with a bad player if he does decide to 3bet your $25 pf raise and now the pot is all bloated and your oop w/ Q high.

As played, the pot is almost $700 (although he has no idea about pot size) and he has a bit over $800 left in his stack... so I actually like a bet/fold of $250 on the turn over checking all day as even the most creative players will find this line super scary to play back at. This bet is ideal as it puts him in a crappy situation with absolutely no knowledge of what your holding is. At the same time, you never have to worry about getting played back at as a bluff and you extract all the value you want from hands that you still dominate.
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01-29-2011 , 06:49 AM
To further explain my point, check out this hand played by Dwan versus Elky on HS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XYK6tJiT4

Obviously Dwan's hand wasn't exactly similar to yours... I wanted to bring it up because it shows his great play in a super bloated pot with awkward stack sizes much like your hand. I'm pretty sure that after he 3bet from the straddle and got 3 callers with that type of flop, his $23k bet into $100k was going to be a bet/fold. It's just a super scary bet and he knows that if anyone comes over the top given that specific action the odds of them bluffing are pretty nonexistent (but then again I don't know much).

Also, pretty lol to note Matusow's serious "wow what a call" to elky on the river after elky essentially slowrolled Tom with his "tank call". It's amazing that just a year ago and still today you have guys like Matusow who clearly have no idea about NL play in these nosebleed stakes cash games.
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01-29-2011 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by cstevens
I'd probably just flat pre so you don't shut yourself out of a pot with a bad player if he does decide to 3bet your $25 pf raise and now the pot is all bloated and your oop w/ Q high.


the villain is 50/5!!! LOL. Doesn't want get his Q10 shut out by the 50/5 player? Pretty sure calling a raise OOP with Q10 from a 50/5 is pretty -EV with 120 bbs effective.
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01-29-2011 , 02:48 PM
thanks everyone for the comments on my bet sizing. will adjust and see how that works.

turn: hero checks, villain checks

river: Q

guess i should've bet here, but still didn't feel great about my hand. check, check, villain shows AJ
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01-29-2011 , 04:41 PM
Wait a few days before posting results.

My main point would be to make it $400 to go on the flop.

As played, clear check/eval.
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