Hero is UTG and limps with 99

3-4 more limpers and sb completes. BB pops it to 60 total, i call, sb shoves 105 total. bb asks if he could raise, dealer says no, and he calls. I call.

BB has 750 to start and I cover.

Flop: 350
K 65
bb bets 100 with 550 behind. Hero???

reads:
sb is a donk. he donked off most of his stack calling cbets then folding to double barrels. I expect his hand to be Ax, small PP, SCs maybe, and any two broadway.

BB seems kinda donkish, but I'm not too sure. He sat down a couple orbits ago . I think TT-QQ is def possible, as is Kx. Not sure how he would play other hands.

reasoning for limping? i fold flop as played... i don't expect him to fold anything so bluffing is out of the question and i think his range beats ours so i'm not calling down.

hahahahahahahaha

i dont know where to begin

partysover, I don't play FR outside of casinos. I limp or fold 100% of my UTG range. I just feel it's unprofitable to raise small PPs but I could be wrong. Again, not sure what's the standard play in 9 handed.

bt2, thanks for your contribution.

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this would be kind of an interesting spot to try to squeeze out the best hand

soah its live i really dunno if he even folds jj the way it's played out. especially since he wanted to get more money in preflop villain's so gung ho about putting his stack in

there's already $400 out there, it's not like it has to work that often when you make it $300

biggest problem is live donkeys not knowing anything about the pot size so he might think $100 is a strong bet

yeah i still dont think it works enough to be +ev. and adding some unneccesary variance while cranking out 35 hand/hour is not something i like to do

Guy asked if he could reraise? Sounds most likely to be ak to me. If not bottom of his range here would be 10's. That bet is really weak so it kinda looks like qq-tt. I like what soah said about squeezing out best hand but the guy has to be capable of folding in that spot.

Fold. ...and I raise this PF like 90% of the time.

Do you mean a limp r/r, or just a flat out raise from UTG?

You might be able to fold out a better hand not containing a K or AA imo here like TT-QQ. It's hard to tell with donks betting sometimes how strong he is. I've run into problems like Soah said where they think their 100 bet on the flop is strong. I'll raise and end up comitting myself to bad situations.

Soah,

Are you saying make it 300 more, or total? Are you comitted to the hand if he reshoves in either case? It's almost a minraise either way. I hate min raises!!

the thing is, if he comes back over the top, even if you have $75 left, it's still pretty much a fold. you can be very sure you're drawing to 2 outs. so you can save a little money by raising to 300 instead of shoving, etc.

and that's IF you thought it was the best play.

but yes raise preflop (which is why i asked if there was a reason for limping)... i think limping in some situations in live games is fine but ussually it's very bad.

raising this under the gun against a bunch of fools that have no intention of ever laying down k 10 off is a disaster

partys over, where do you play? how often? what stake?

I haven't been playing live for even a full year, but it seems almost obvious to me limping is the way to go... i'm interested in being proven wrong tho

i play 2/4+ online but i played 1/2 and 2/5 a loooot last summer in AC

basically, unless table conditions are abnormal, open limping is a very poor play because you're now playing pots out of position without the initiative. also them not laying down kt isn't a disaster, it's profit.

This is so true and very key to the hand i think.

seems great to me

if you think his bet represents true weakness then raise an amount that you think will get him to fold... can't really say anything more than that without being there

if you don't have a strong feeling that it will work then it's probably not worth it

>>>>>>Do you mean a limp r/r, or just a flat out raise from UTG?<<<<<<



Flat out raise from UTG. I rarely limp when 1st in.

that is not true... one guy calls with k10... one guy calls with jq... one guy calls with a7 one guy calls with 56..... what flop are you going to like that isn't a set out of position.... might as well just limp

BB insta fired 100 on the flop. To be honest, I was thinking the same as Soah. I felt I had SB's range crush and could raise 300/fold safely if BB comes back on top. SB at the same time was losing and bitching about me taking a long time when I only take less than 30 secs. I opted to fold at the end.

SB showed 78 and scooped the pot when 7 hit the turn and blanked the river. BB mucked, my guess is AQ/AJ? maybe 33 or something ******ed?


Regarding opening or limping UTG: I typically play UTG-UTG+1 by limping. Then play the rest like 6-max online. I don't think it's horribly -EV to play hands like 99 but maybe it's not the most optimal? Also, I don't want to have an unbalance range or 99 raising and limping with 55 although it wouldn't matter in a live 5-10 game.

with standard table conditions, i dont think open limping is ever correct. you two won't change your minds but i'm going to tell you it's wrong a lot.

giving me the KT QJ 45 ... hands is a joke, right? you don't HAVE to cbet everytime that 5 people go to a flop. in live poker i think cooling down on cbets is very good because they just don't work. and i think certain situations are great to limp, but not opening the action utg.

my point is that when you play live poker every hand is 5 people to a flop... unless you make a really big raise... which is dumb to do with 99 from early position

maybe in some games, and i would consider that abnormal table conditions. the 2/5 and limited 5/10 games i've seen don't play like 2/4 limit (9 ppl to every flop) it's more nitty like 50/1 online