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5/10 KK OOP - 5 callers - bet sizing 5/10 KK OOP - 5 callers - bet sizing

10-22-2011 , 12:53 AM
5/10 @ casino

Effective stacks 1700

Hero - TAG
Villain - passive casual player visibly steaming.

5 limpers to hero in BB

Hero KK raises to 85
5 callers, villain is button

Flop (425) Q72
SB checks
Hero bets 225
Folds to Villain
Villain calls
SB fold

Turn (875) (villain has 1390 behind) J
Hero bets 400
Villain calls

River (1675) Q
Hero checks
Villain bets all in 990
Hero folds

Some thoughts:
- should I bet bigger OTF with 5 callers and FD out there?
- I had a lot of trouble sizing my bet on the turn. I felt that a FD was a huge part of his range, so I wanted to charge him to draw, but on the other hand I didn't want to bet too much where I was then pot committed to call off a shove with just an over pair. Thoughts? I guess my plan here was to b/f.
- unfortunately the worst card in the deck hit the river and I felt this was a trivial fold. Can I ever call here?
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10-22-2011 , 09:37 AM
The whole line seems pretty good to me.

Some small adjustments I would make are:

Preflop 95-115, simply bcs we're oop, and it will be tougher to play this hand, which is quite face up no matter what you do.

As played, on the flop bet 275-325, it's a really good flop for you, you are only loosing to sets. The hands that call you will be Qx and flush draws, charge them a bit more.

Same goes for turn, bet 3/4 pot, only QJ got there.

I wouldn't worry that much about pot commitment. You are really only loosig to sets, which should raise you on the flop. On the turn, there is like 1 hand that has you beat (QJ), and a ton of draws, including combo draws, so protecting your hand, getting value is more important than worrying about pot commitment IMO.

Last edited by ThatsWhatIDo; 10-22-2011 at 09:42 AM.
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10-22-2011 , 11:14 AM
bigger iso pre (it live lol), bigger on flop and turn and not having a decision on teh river imo...
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10-22-2011 , 02:04 PM
100/450/All in
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10-24-2011 , 01:07 AM
Nice hand.

definitely dont go all in on this river.
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10-25-2011 , 12:30 AM
whole hand seems fine imo......I would bet a bit more on the turn though.
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10-25-2011 , 08:15 AM
What they said: bigger on turn, don't worry about pot commitment so much.
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10-25-2011 , 11:12 AM
yeah just bomb turn , if you make it like 625 or something and he jams you will be getting close to 4 to 1. Easy call off, hope he has combo that improved with the J or QJ and you have outs.
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10-25-2011 , 12:24 PM
yeah a tad bigger pre, bigger on this board on flop and turm

as played cf river is obv fine/good
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11-02-2011 , 08:00 AM
other than some small bet sizing adjustments seems std...ul gf
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11-02-2011 , 09:14 AM
At a quick glance the hand seems pretty standard, but upon closer inspection your bet sizing is a borderline travesty. Pre isn't the worst, but I agree with everyone else you need to be raising more here, 100-110 is fine and you will still get calls. The flop is near perfect but you should still be betting more here, 250-300. On the turn is where you seem to make the biggest mistake. You have a steamed amateur and you bet less than half pot to price him in for a fd? How does that make sense? Just bomb away ~550 into that size pot, he will still call. On blank rivers it is not likely there will be much value to be had so I would rather get it on turn. In the event he has a hand like aq he may be more likely to call all in on river since the pot will be so big. If you had led 110 and still gotten 5 callers you could lead flop 400 and just stuff the turn. Less likely to get action but I seem to do best when I am not showing hands down.
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11-02-2011 , 09:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
100/450/All in
This.

he meant 100 pre, pot flop and jam turn
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11-02-2011 , 11:10 AM
I agree with most here.

Good line but some minor bet sizing problems... I like a bigger bet on the flop and a little bigger on the turn... c/fold river as like you said its just the uggliest card in the deck as this fish has Qx here most of the time and some FDs as well....

On the preflop raise, I don't think the $85 is bad per se, it just depends on the game. For me, in tight games where people kind of just want to limp in cheap and make the nuts but don't call big preflop raises, I think $85 is fine. But in Saturday night type games where people are looser (seems thats what this was), I think I like $100.
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11-03-2011 , 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimeBomb
At a quick glance the hand seems pretty standard, but upon closer inspection your bet sizing is a borderline travesty. Pre isn't the worst, but I agree with everyone else you need to be raising more here, 100-110 is fine and you will still get calls. The flop is near perfect but you should still be betting more here, 250-300. On the turn is where you seem to make the biggest mistake. You have a steamed amateur and you bet less than half pot to price him in for a fd? How does that make sense? Just bomb away ~550 into that size pot, he will still call.
This.
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