Full handed table

V1 (UTG) has 1100. He is a middle aged vietnamese guy and had been at the table for 30min. Seemed super passive so far, limps 100% of his range including AK preflop which he bet OTF in a limped pot when he hit and showed. Is unaware of my spew monkey image for the night cuz I tightened up after V2 called a big bluff vs me and forced me to show my hand.

V2 (BB) is down to his last 550, stuck 4.5K for the night. Earlier I triple barreled J4s on a AK9QQ flush board and he called with K8o and made me show my hand. Loves to trap me, but on dangerous boards he doesn't slowplay in multiway pots.

Hero covers both.

Preflop: UTG limps, Hero raises $45 on the BTN, BB calls.

Flop ($135): JT4
Checks to me, I bet $80, BB calls, UTG c/r to $320, Hero?????

we have blockers to big draws, such as KQdd.

I think his range is heavily weighted towards made hands. We beat AJ and QQ, but both seem sort of unlikely. Not sure he would c/r like this with top pair or even an overpair. Smells like a monster to me. I (reluctantly) fold. Maybe he'll show his hand again.

I like a fold

I prefer a fold as well. UTG is passive and is check raising 2 players (including the preflop raiser) on the flop. Calling takes us past the commitment threshold and I'm not too excited about putting another $700+ into the pot.

Any thoughts on calling flop/folding turn? In the mid stakes forum with deeper stacks thats the standard line here, but being 110bbs deep in a bloated pot made this option seem less appealing to me cuz he might overvalue AJ and shove turn anyway.

from your villian description, fold.

you can be folding the best hand prolly 25% of the time, and its still more profitable
than stacking off drawing thin when you are behind that 25%, when youre not stacking him for the full 100bb the 75% when youre good.

your hand isnt under-repped, and you say your image isnt deployed,
so he's never putting you in that tough spot that maniacs get into where 'backed into a corner' villians are
going crazy w/ KJ because you never have anything, which makes no sense, but
still, thats the way live donks think, even at 5/10. they see you as the aggro guy, and just want to take the play away, and get the hand over with. that doesnt sound like the scenario here at all.
he doesnt fit the profile of someone jamming big drawing equity, either, and as a virtual unknown, its hard to give him credit for having these plays in his bag.
even if he is capable, good for him, it's not like you have him crushed, anyways.
most likely hes protecting a monster that he coiuld be extracting with if he took a different line, so take advantage of his mistake, and fold whats mostly gonna be the worst hand.
stacks are shallow enough for him to get it in w/ a set by the river if he gambles, and takes a different line.
fold, and consider that you prolly outplayed him.

Easy fold vs described villain and I love to station.

Do you have the Kd?

I have the K which helps a little bit here cuz he doesn't seem like the type of vil that goes crazy with combo draws in the first place.

With the Kd it seems like an even easier fold to me.

Someone plays back at you on a J 10d 4d flop he has a very strong hand when his range is all made hands. You hold the K which actually hurts your hand but a good key to folding. You having K of the flush suit means less combos of flush draw someone will raise with. Since he has almost no bluffs in his range on this board its a clear fold.

Vs described villain its a fold

I wonder if hero folded and vil showed QQ. If so, its still a good fold based on your description of vil. Good point about the fd being less likely since you have the Kd

I feel like this is the worst option. When somebody check-raises on a wet board like J-10-4ss, he rarely is doing it on a complete bluff. Hes either got a made hand or a draw, all of which are not afraid to fire another large barrel on the turn. In essence, you'd just be giving away more money for no information since 100% of his flop c/ring range is barreling the turn as well.

As played, I'd fold flop. Even if he shows A-Js or QQ, I feel like thats the very bottom of his range here (does he even c/r these hands?), and I'm not a big fan of putting in >100BBs against a range that includes a lot of sets, top two pair, and a few combo draws and A-high draws that we're even money against. In fact, since we aren't even sure that he'd play most of his combo-draws this fast, it makes me lean even more towards a fold.

Raise more pre. If just the limper had called, you would have an SPR of 11, which is freaking awful for KK. 3.5+1 is a good basic rule, but if you're playing 5/10, you should be working with more advanced preflop raising dynamics. Raising this amount with KK in this spot should be done for balancing only.

As played, it's too deep for you to stack off on this board with KK unless you know the dude is nuts or bluffy. Fold.

You should also never be Cbetting less than 2/3 on a wet board. Cbets between 1/2-2/3 are for dry boards, not wet boards. On this board, you should be betting 3/4-pot. Bare minimum $100, but I'd bet $125.

No. You're making the decision for the stack now. What you're suggesting is just paying $240 to put yourself to an even tougher decision on the turn.

The only reason you would do this is if you have a really good read on his range and know it definitely doesn't include sets and you're slowplaying to induce more from a weaker hand. Which is entirely reasonable at 5/10, but not in this situation.

I could have made it 50, or 55 even, but making it huge everytime I have kings/aces in 5/10 is reallllly bad. Its not a 1/2 game where people call 10x raises with J8o on the reg.

In retrospect I should have bet full pot on the flop. Since everyone says fold and I don't see any1 coming in and arguing to call I'll post spoilers now.

Wait, so you have a spewy image and you failed to put that in the op. If that was the case I would have told you to 4bet. If players are actually noticing you bet with nothing. These are key factors to how you play the hand. I'm thinking your a white semi old with a tight range. Not a young aggressive dude.

UTG has been seen to play like 12 hands.

re-read OP again. maybe V1 heard from someone that I was spewing chips, but seeing as he didn't speak much english and didn't know any1 in the room I doubt it. only thing I would change would be to further emphasize that V1 had been at the table for 30min, which is about 12 hands as someone pointed it. so I probably shouldn't have said he was passive at all, altho I did state that he only seemed to be passive.

Sorry about that, I got confused because I read that villain doesnt know you have a spewy image. Mental misclick.

You played the hand fine.

Not just KK and AA, any top pair hand. And it's stack specific. Someone that has 2k and you have 2k, you can make a normal raise with. I understand that it's tricky, but the dude is an UTG limper after all. IDK, I really feel like this is exactly the kind of situation that SPR defined preflop raising is for.

Which is somewhat surprising, and he's clearly not so passive after all. Next time, you know to get the money in the pot against him... assuming he wasn't lying, lol. If you had made the pfr $60 though, you could stack off to a random on this board I think. 8 spr is still rough for that, but way better than 11. I haven't applied this in these types of situations nearly enough myself to be sure exactly what would be ideal though.

Then again, passive to the flop then gamble when you hit a piece is an asian-male stereotype, so maybe leaning towards stacking is the better plan. Of course, second guessing based on results.