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08-28-2008 , 12:27 AM

billstery

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Ok, so I go to a home game which I don't know much about. Some people I know are there and they play fairly badly, as all live players do. Don't know much about the other players.

I sit down and my first hand in UTG (10 handed) is JJ. I raise to 40$.
2 people call. The BB is some fat guy who runs the game and I've been told is also a bad player. He raises to 400$. I have 1960$ in front of me.
I ???

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08-28-2008 , 01:04 AM

Soehnke

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eaaaaasy fold. he raises u 10 times ur bet LOL. like to gamble for stacks? shove. you MUST be behind IMO

post result later pls

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08-28-2008 , 02:01 AM

billzfan86

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Originally Posted by Soehnke

eaaaaasy fold. he raises u 10 times ur bet LOL. like to gamble for stacks? shove. you MUST be behind IMO

post result later pls

no offense but this is the 2nd post ive seen u make that has been way off base, this is definitely not an insta fold, how did they say he was bad, was he loose passive was he maniac or did they just tell you he was bad?

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08-28-2008 , 03:57 AM

billstery

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Originally Posted by billzfan86

no details sadly, just the "everyone live sucks" bad

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08-28-2008 , 05:04 AM

novel20

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Depends on how fat and how bad he is.

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08-28-2008 , 04:16 PM

Dynasty

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You don't know your opponent. Without a read, you play to protect your stack and fold.

You may regret it later when you see him making huge reraises with weak hands. But, you don't have that information yet.

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08-28-2008 , 05:06 PM

AllTheCheese

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In my experience, live games are cally bad, not maniac bad. Especially fat old guys. I would default to my generic fat guy read and fold. (I'm not joking)

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08-28-2008 , 05:45 PM

Proofrock

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Being told somebody is a bad player isn't that useful unless you know what that means -- there are a lot of ways for somebody to be bad. Besides, it's probably not good to make a big, close decision based on what somebody else tells you about how a 3rd party plays.

I think this is an amazingly easy fold. For it not to be a fold you need some kind of read here which you just don't have.

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08-29-2008 , 01:43 PM

trebsic

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I would shove. Most likely he has a smaller pocket pair and is trying to buy the pot. I doubt he would make it 400 to go in a 120 dollar pot with Qs-As.

If you are crushed it will be good advertising that you won't be pushed around and will help you in the future.

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08-29-2008 , 04:09 PM

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droopy0021

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Originally Posted by Dynasty

You don't know your opponent. Without a read, you play to protect your stack and fold.

You may regret it later when you see him making huge reraises with weak hands. But, you don't have that information yet.

Or you might relish the opportunity to double up. Give yourself a chance to get some reads and give this guy a chance to choke himself later in the night.

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08-30-2008 , 07:29 AM

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SirRaisealot

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If he's as deep as you are, I just fold and wait for a better spot. If he's really bad, there will be better spots for you to stack him, you don't have to flip for 200BB.

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08-30-2008 , 10:12 AM

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riverfish1

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He's bad, fat, and old. He has aces and just wants to win the pot right there because "he never wins with aces"

Seriously I don't think its worth getting involved for such a massive raise that early in the game. Wait until you get a read before playing for stacks.

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08-31-2008 , 11:26 PM

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billstery

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ok, just checking. He had KK.

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