Hey

I heard from a professional that you can get KK pre at 200bb vrs the right players.

HJ opens, I 3-bet KK OTB, SB cold 4bets. He is a bad reg and he is steaming and I 5bet him, he probably has a tight cold 4bet range of JJ+AK but I don't see him folding AK. I would not 5-bet this hand vrs most profiles but I think this type of player will overvalue AK and just want to get it in and hope to hit. It would be better if it wasn't a cold 4bet because there are no bluffs in his range.

Has anyone had any success with this line?

Very occasionally yes. Against a super tilted one or a really ego driven maniac.

The key thing against a tilted one like you have here is judging how tilted he is. Does he have any folds at all? Has he opened up his range at all? Is he going to make any stupid bluffs? Does he ever fake out being upset? Stack sizes and betting sizes also matter because the path that got stacks all in makes a difference. Also consider if villain is ready to go home, some villains get into this mental state where they want to lose the rest of their stack before leaving. If that is the case their range will be much weaker and they will make some spazz moves.

Having villain make a cold 4 bet out of the SB is not a good situation. Even a tilted one likely has no bluffs and a tight range. It also means hero has to make the 5 bet but at 200BB it may not be best to move all in depending on betting. That 5 bet will dump cold water on a lot of tilted villains. I wouldn't be liking this situation unless villain is clearly tilted real hard and has made some tilted moves with weak hands already.

Yeah I agree with all this, he was tilted, sliding down his seat and it was home time but I think it’s too optimistic vrs a cold 4bet and he is just a bad reg and not a maniac.

this isn't the spot theoretically to ever 5bet KK I'm pretty sure but against extremely loose splashy maniacs then you could

What were the sizes...

I 3bet to 100, he cold 4bet to 275 I 5 bet to 700 with 2.2k effective but should have made it a bit smaller so I don’t have as tough a decision vrs a jam.

This is true but from some strategy advice seen from live players I was under the impression that there is another opponent type that I think you can 5bet KK- bad regs (who are the spots usually as they are stations and too loose pre) who are tilted and dont mind going home because I don’t think they fold AK QQ (I have stacked 200bb with QQ when I have been tilted). I might be completely wrong though and this hand he cold 4bet so I think it’s a sizeable mistake to 5bet in my opinion.

Yeah 5bettjng is super bizarre and I think u wanna hyper-polarize maybe as polar as AA for value and A5s/A4s for bluffs. If u wanna extend value then u could add a freq of KK, but u know it’s only a freq and it is in there for value. So I don’t think ur allowed to 5bet it and then fold.

Ur other option is to play a pure call or fold strategy here, and since ur deep and imposition and the value of deception is slightly increased i think this option is slightly better because then we retain full domination over QQ JJ and we never let him off the hook on a lot of flops like TXX- since we know his exact range and what he’s capped to.
If an A hi flop comes out it kinda sucks but double block AK which is his only AX hand so he only has 4 combos of AK then and 6 QQ 6 JJ so we have him dead 4:12 times.
And the biggest thing is that I think on a lot of low cars boards, our opponent will just treat QQ and JJ as pure value bets that need protection and have a propensity to just get the money in fast and we can stack him there.
U do risk an A or K hi flop killing the action against JJ or QQ but I think that’s a risk I gotta take here. I don’t need to be so greedy to try and stack those hands so quickly and let my overall strategy suffer.

I'm never 5betting then folding. I'm only folding like 1% of the time. Aces is possible yes but you can't completely be like whoop he's 6betting me guess he has it...