5-10 Live game. 8 handed. As usual, half of the table are medium stakes internet "pros." The other half play live somewhat regularly and play some on the internet, but not for a living. I am in the "live" group. Villain to my immediate right is an internet player. Like most internet players, he is more aggro preflop than virtually any live player. He seems good. We have never played together. We are only 40 or so hands into the session, so he has no real reads on me. That being said, as a default, I assume he views me as having "live" player tendencies. I have not done anything out of line. I three bet him once preflop about ten hands ago, and he jokingly said, "did you see my cards" and folded.

We each have about $2100.

I don't want to say what my cards were, because I want to get a sense of what people believe Villain's range is given the action.

Hand is folded to the internet player in the cutoff. He raises to $35. I three bet to $105. He four bets to $265. I five bet to $740, leaving us both with approximately a pot sized bet behind.

So here is the question -- under the conditions described above, if you are the internet player, how many combinations of the following hands are you four betting with?

AK off (12 possible combos)
AK suited (4 possible combos)
AQ off (12 possible combos)
AQ suited (4 possible combos)
AA (6 possible combos)
KK (6 possible combos)
QQ (6 possible combos)
JJ (6 possible combos)
TT (6 possible combos)
77-99 (18 possible combos)
air

Of those combinations that you four bet, how many of them do you get it in with after I five bet? Do you ever flat my five bet?

I probably shove all combos except for air and 77-TT (77-TT, given how deep you are, I probably flat the smallish 3-bet with). I hardly ever flat your 5-bet OOP, except maybe with AA-KK. Flatting the rest is spew IMO because I will only have a PSB left on the flop and you will call with pretty much your entire range getting 2-1 on most boards.

I asked my question in a stupid way. I guess the real question is, what is your four betting range here, and how much of that range do you continue with after I five bet.

FWIW, I find it hard to believe that you are routinely four betting AQ and JJ in this spot and then shoving after I five bet, but maybe that's not what you were saying.

My 4-bet range is different than an aggro. internet player so I was trying to rep. his range and not mine. Sorry I confused that.

My four betting range is probably AA-JJ, AK against an unknown (no AQ), but remember the dynamic of you catching him before...this definitely plays into his choice to 4-bet so I thinbk his range is/can be wider than normal because since you know he has raised light in the past, you might be three-betting light as well.

Agreed on me shoving after you 5-bet. Again, if it is me I most likely shove AA-QQ, AK unless I have some other meta vs. you that wasn't mentioned.

your five bet is too large, if you do have a big hand you want to 5b smaller i think so he has more perceived FE to jam..but if i had a big hand against this type of aggro player i would flat his 4b since we have the button and it keeps all his bluffs in and his 6b range is going to be mostly all monsters imo against your large betsizing

yes, the 5 bet size is where you jolted him and let him know that there is no bluffing involved, so he can play much more perfectly now.

So what hands do you jam with if you are him? Also, what percentage of the time are you 4 betting AA and KK if you are Villain? Are you ever flatting my three bet with AA or KK on the theory that you do not want to make the hand easy for the live "donkey" to play preflop? Are you flatting AA and KK to the three bet more or less often than than you flat with AK, QQ, JJ?

Without a read the jamming range for 200BB = AA, (KK would be dependend of game flow and the feel of the situation)
If I consider you a donkey its JJ+, AK

At this point of our history i would be jamming about all the hands that i decided to 4 bet with. That would most likely be AA KK AK. At this point there also would not be a 4 bet bluff range for me at all live. (but you couldnt know that).

I would be 4 betting AA KK AK everytime BTW.

From that point i would adjust a bit depending on how 3 betty you are during the session.

I have a feeling that you are inquiring on certain hands such as JJ whether we should be like 4 bet/folding them etc. I wont be doing that ever. I will stop short and play poker postflop this deep.

it does affect ur hand, because we can discount some combos
5bet smaller

bluffs and nuts. i would shove nuts and fold bluffs obv

just give him a standard value range of QQ+ and AK. you already 3 bet him once so hes prob not scared to get it in with just big pairs and prob has a few more bluffs. also you 5bet is waaay too big.