I have a loose, aggressive image. A stuck, stubborn, and very aggressive middle-aged Vietnamese gentleman opens for 35 from LJ. His opening range is solid, and he may elect to open-limp some suited connectors, weak offsuit broadway, and small pairs some of the time. I call in the CO with Q9d. We're 1,000 deep.

Flop As3s3c. He bets. Do you float?

1000bb deep or $1k deep? Prob just folding pre with $1k v described V with solid opening range

this is exactly the type of player that i would advise against floating. its going to be very difficult for him to fold a hand not to mention you might get blown off your float on later streets if hes capable of bluff raising/barreling.

Fold pre because:
1.) V has a "solid" opening range which probably crushes Q9s.
2.) You are only 1K$ deep to start the hand.
3.) V is stuck/stubborn, meaning you have less fold equity when you flop draws.

I would not float for the following reasons:
1.) You have very little equity/no backdoor draws.
2.) V is aggro and might barrel a lot of turns.
3.) There's a flush draw - even if V has a lower pocket pair, he might check call the turn/river thinking you may have a draw (plus he's stuck).
4.) He's almost never folding an ace here if you plan to bluffraise the turn or bet when checked to.

3b or fold pf

I guess I should've mentioned there's a big fish in the BB and a nit on the BTN, so I don't like folding pre-flop because the big fish more than compensates for a lack of antes, a 5+1 drop, and a solid opening range. I also don't think 3-betting is better than calling because we shut out the BB, the Vietnamese will always defend with any hand that crushes us, he'll fight for pots, and we're not that deep. It's easier for him to counter out of position against 3-bet versus a flat call when we have 3 bets remaining after the 3-bet instead of 4.

Seems like a terrible hand/opponent/situation to float.

i think pf is fine. i would call pre here all day even w/o knowing the extra info oil just posted. knowing the extra info now i like a call even more than i liked it before.

+1

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Wouldn't dream of folding pre.

If I'm not going to float in spots like this(which I advocate not doing) I'm not calling w/ hands like Q9s pf 1k deep.

I advocate not floating Scotty Nguyen types because they don't like to give up no matter what they have. Especially the more money that goes in the pot. It makes it worse when you are not deep.

What are you thinking here, because I don't see it? Give me one good reason to float here when you're shallow (yes 100 bigs is shallow live), with a LAG image, against a stuck, stubborn, aggressive player with a tight opening range, with almost 0 equity vs an ace, no backdoor draws which you can continue / make moves on, on a flush draw board where when it misses he'll call you down with any pair. Just one good reason. Actually I just thought of one, you're in position. But that's all I got.

fold? what's our calling range? I'd think this hand in this spot falls easily in our calling range.

deeper sure...with 100bb 3b or fold is gonna show more profit imo. fold and call is prob close but we cant call everything so we have to do other things sometimes.

if u want to call this what are u gonna 3b w/? Q8s? ok fine but again 100bb deep i somewhat disagree. in the moment in live poker tho i realize ppl arent really going to differentiate the difference between Q9s and Q8s but if u don't set some sort of standards ur either calling, folding, or 3b too much in certain spots. this is part of why so many live players have such terrible pf selection overall.

so you think folding is better then calling pre?

given the description of villain, hero, and lack of info on how the btn and blinds play, yes. im not saying that makes calling unprofitable, just the least profitable....but all 3 could be profitable still.

Me either, but I wouldn't dream of floating on this board. I guess I should say I would not likely float against this player type.

Thread Winner IMO

It's hard to make a dollar when you fold.

true...posting when i first wake up isnt my strong suit.

anyway, i dont think calling Q9s here is better than 3b or folding it vs this specific villain given ur reads and ur image. that doesnt mean it isnt a call vs others in the same exact spot.

If you intend to loosen up vs a stuck aggro player who aren't you loading it up to match his stacksize?

I don't like pre at all at 100bb with Q9... think about what exactly you are trying to achieve by calling as opposed to just "he's stuck, he's aggro, I'm calling IP I can move him off postflop if we both miss..". Think of the boards that are favorable to your hand. Are you happy going all the way vs him on AQx KQx 963r JTx etc etc? You'd be much better off constructing wider part of your range with hands like 89s AXs etc etc as opposed to Q9 because you can not just rep certain hands but also when you hit you can get it in 100bb pretty well most of the time equity-wise..

Postflop I don't know why you're floating him.. you're not deep enough as described he's not folding a nice pair let alone Ax to further aggression unless you are willing to invest whole stack on bluff barrels(and pray that he folds..)