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5/10 at commerce playing boat on the river OOP 5/10 at commerce playing boat on the river OOP

04-23-2024 , 08:50 AM
5/10 at commerce casino $2450 effective.

villian in hand is a younger spanish speaking player, game is an overnight game and this hand took place at around 9am on a monday morning.

Villian open UTG to $30 folds to hero in bb who looks down at ThTs. Hero flat calls.

Pot - $65

Tc6c4s - Hero checks, villians cbets for $40 hero check raises to $140. Villian calls.

Pot - $345

Tc6c4sQc - Hero checks turn. Villian bets $150. Hero calls.

Pot - $645

Tc6c4sQc4d - Hero fills up. Not sure how I should play this OOP with around $2k behind. Any ideas feel free to share. In game hero bets for $75.

Thank you.
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04-23-2024 , 08:54 AM
Leading $75 and checking are essentially the same thing, so I kinda like it.

I'm not sure if the turn check or betting is better. Checking turn seems pretty weak.
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04-23-2024 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans
Checking turn seems pretty weak.
Whats wrong with checking a third club just came out…?

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04-23-2024 , 11:00 AM
I think on the flop I'd raise bigger given stacks - maybe closer to 200. I'd prefer to bet the turn - I think its a turn card we're always going to be bluffing and he has a lot of single club hands that won't fold. On the river I think I'm going to bet on the bigger side - I don't think he has many bluffs if we check here. I mean really what's his range on the river? Flushes, QQ,66,AA,KK,JJ,99?. We bet we get value from flushes,66,AA/KK maybe, if we check we're hoping he bluffs JJ or maybe some kind of AK with a club.
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04-23-2024 , 11:35 AM
You guys are fancy with the 75$ lead i would’ve just went for the good old fashioned check-razy
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04-23-2024 , 11:42 AM
I would just go for check raise on river.

If someone did this tiny river bet vs me I would 100% think they are trying to bait me into raising. Youd get more money from me by checking and letting me bet.
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04-23-2024 , 11:52 AM
Check raise flop bigger and always checking river.
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04-23-2024 , 05:51 PM
Check-raising this flop with top set isn’t really a thing (this is one of the few times we should slow-play—best move here is check-call, check-call, check-raise.

THAT SAID as played, I like a check-raise on the River more than a bet (I am treating your tiny lead like a check). His range once we get to the River should be flushes, full houses/quads, or bluffs. He’ll bet all of those hands on the River, so obviously checking is best.

The only way checking will cost you money is if he has a hand that will check behind that would have called a bet. Are there any hands like that? Maaaaybe some QJss, KQss, AQss (although those are mostly checking back the Turn). Maaaaybe AA or KK with no club finds a check back. But…there just aren’t that many. Check to get value from his bluffs, and then raise and hope you get called by flushes or worse boats.

If he re-jams over the top of your check-raise, we’re calling, but not snapping! (I think TT is the worst hand we could call with—66 would be a fold.)
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04-23-2024 , 06:02 PM
XC flop or bet turn small seem reasonable but XR-XC is totally fine.

I would just check shove river assuming nut flushes usually reopen. When you take this weird block I start to doubt they raise.
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04-23-2024 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Maaaaybe AA or KK with no club finds a check back
You'd bet those?
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04-23-2024 , 06:56 PM
Betting 10% of pot is the one thing id DEFINITELY not do. He either has a flush or QQ+, if he has QQ whatever, youre stacked. Im goibg for CRAI.
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04-23-2024 , 09:35 PM
Weird spot. I'd think he'd bet bigger on the turn with a flush or a boat. He's basically repping an over-pair, probably with a club.

A small block bet probably isn't going to induce a raise as a bluff, and I don't think he'd bet huge with AA/KK, so I'd probably just bet 2/3 pot, and hope he doesn't believe we'd check turn with a flush or set/2P.

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04-24-2024 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by billylean
Whats wrong with checking a third club just came out…?

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you're losing to very few combos of hands - and giving pairs with a club a free ride at the river. Our hand can also bet/call turn so it doesn't have to fold to a turn raise.

If he has a flush I doubt a $150 bet is in the cards, that not be very good and give 2 pairs and sets the right price to call you as those hands shouldn't be check/raising.
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04-24-2024 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
You'd bet those?
After BB x-raises Flop, checks Turn, and checks River? 100%. I’d put V on a hand Luke King-Ten and target that hand.
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04-24-2024 , 02:54 PM
If you lead, I much prefer half pot. I actually do like a lead here vs many opponents, villain are going to check back lots of medium-strength value hands, including flushes after flop xr. I would lead closer to full pot vs some opponents.

This villain sounds kind of splashy though,in which case checking may be better. $75 seems very bad unless it designed to induce a bluff-raise.
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04-24-2024 , 03:00 PM
I'm usually just calling the flop, I'm not worried about him having a FD when he opened up from UTG since he has a lot of PP's in his range with XcXc only being a small fraction of it.

As played I'm definitely not giving him the opportunity to check it back. He called a c/r of 140 otf and then bet 150 when we checked it to him ott, I'm not just dribbling out 75 dollars otr there and he's not automatically betting the river either if checked to even if he has aces. I would b/c like 3/400 but that's just me.
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04-24-2024 , 04:47 PM
Bet enough that a queen can't fold, but leave him room to be macho as is the tendency I find of younger Spanish speaking men in poker. If he folds, make it seem like you had a bluff. "I figured I could get a bluff through if I made that seem like value"
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04-25-2024 , 11:25 AM
Grunch: I'd bet $150 - $200 on river to look almost like a blocking bet. Will be tough for him to fold a flush. He's not calling with much else, anyway.
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04-25-2024 , 01:09 PM
I don’t utilize enough tiny tiny bets in my game and as a standard would say 20% here this way if villain clicks it back at minimum pot will be 1K allowing you to shove or even click it back again as a 3bet.

Check raising the river here would be my play if villain is likely and aggressive enough to bet with a wider range.

The piece that has me a little stuck on is villains half pot on turn given prior action on a flop that favors OP’s OOP range.

Never played commerce but I assume the overnight game gets gambly/blasty?
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04-27-2024 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chekjamz
5/10 at commerce casino $2450 effective.

villian in hand is a younger spanish speaking player, game is an overnight game and this hand took place at around 9am on a monday morning.

Villian open UTG to $30 folds to hero in bb who looks down at ThTs. Hero flat calls.

Pot - $65

Tc6c4s - Hero checks, villians cbets for $40 hero check raises to $140. Villian calls.

Pot - $345

Tc6c4sQc - Hero checks turn. Villian bets $150. Hero calls.

Pot - $645

Tc6c4sQc4d - Hero fills up. Not sure how I should play this OOP with around $2k behind. Any ideas feel free to share. In game hero bets for $75.

Thank you.
There's 645 in the plot. You bet 10% of the pot. I mean if you're going to make it seem like a value bet, then bet for more. Personally I'd bet 50-65% of the pot. It would be really hard for any made hand to fold to that and it also opens the door to him re-raising.
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04-30-2024 , 07:31 PM
I would consider
1) flop: XC as we have top set and he will fold his a lot Broadway hands to our XR; if XR, raise to a bigger size, like 200.
2) turn: he only has a few flush combos in his UTG open range but he may continue with a lot single club combos. if XC, continue XC; if XR, bet 1/2-2/3( not sure about sizing), as he won't fold his overpair.
3) river: if lead, bet around 1/3 is my play.
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