5/10 e900
Hero BTN AhQc open 25
BB Euro calls
Hu
(55) Flop AcTh4c
X hero bets 60. V calls
(175) turn 8h
X hero bets 210? V Jams 815. Hero?

I think I’m playing OB or check on the turn, and I think OB AK AQ AJ to check back river is my preferred line. Now I get XR it feels like villain has a lot of bluffs to choose from here but also feels like an underbluffed line. But I can’t just go folding all my AK/AQ/AJ here it makes up too much of my range right?

Any reads at all on villain?

I feel like this is very highly dependent upon who you are playing. Vs some this would be 100% fold and others 100% call.

Readless I'd probably fold this combo.

What is hero's image? Is this a pro? Does he show a lot of bluffs?

Our hand is really just a fold at this point as you have the worst suits, blocking both flush draws. Flop overbet is fine, but on the looking at solver stuff, I think we should be should split our turn betting between overbets and another large sizing like 75% pot. AQ+ is too weak to overbet the entire range. Even the hands that do sometimes ocetbet are indifferent between overbet and bet 75%. The main hand that mixes overbet is AT, with some AK ad well The benefit to having overbets is that we get to bluff more when we bet for larger. Top 2 sets like betting smaller on the flop, while bottom set likes going 75% on turn. I can't tell you exactly why that is, maybe to protect the 75% bet range and maybe because it is less vulnerable.

It’s mostly cuz top set blocks calling range and bottom set unblocks Ax calling range so it shifts V’s range.

This feels much more like a typical online spot than live.

I like the big flop bet. And I agree that big again on turn, planning to check back rivers, is a good line. And also agree that automatically just folding out your better top pairs to this turn aggression feels weak...but this is going to be player dependent, it would be very easy for BB just to fold to the turn continuation...how often is he going to turn mid strength hands into bluffs? How he sees you is important, ie will he think you do this on the thin side with AQ/AJ etc and how likely you are to react to a jam.

I get that much of it, but why does TT prefer smaller size on the flop? Maybe it's because we block the thick value range, but unblock the 4x/wheel draw bluff reason of villain that will raise when we bet small.

Other question, if 44 unblocks top pair, why doesn't it overbet the turn, but AT does? Maybe because AT will raise flop overbet a lot while the next best thing, A4 will call, but we now block that as well, so we are still targeting Ax, maybe A8?

Without having a solve to look at (working) I would guess that if you’re using a 75%/OB strat OTF then TT w/ a club and/or heart would usually go for 75% size and the ones without would be more inclined to OB.
If it’s only really using 75% OTF then the reasons you mentioned also make some sense for sure. Main goal is to make majority of V’s range indifferent and V actually doesn’t have a lot of A4 in this config as it 3b’s preflop a lot, and even when they do have it, it’s going to xr vs 75% sizing anyway so OB doesn’t accomplish much in terms of generating EV.

As for 44 when we use flop OB we are filtering V’s range to mostly Ax/Tx w/ FD and flush draws/GS. But not even really all that much FD + GS as again those suited Broadway combos all 3b pre.
So OB/OB line really makes a lot of the combos that call flop have an easier decision OTT while 75% OTT after flop OB put all of those hands in a worse spot where it’s harder to make an easy decision.

Just spitballing, but I think there’s some overall decent logic in there. As for why AT does mix the OB OTT while 44 doesn’t much I’m not really all that sure tbh. Can’t really think of many good reasons why for that, but again, I’m pretty sure that the AT w/ FD blocks would be the combos using 75% after flop OB and unblocking the FD w/ ATo would prefer OB/OB cuz equity denial is also an important factor. It could also be that 44 gets xr’d on by most 2 pair hands OTT anyway after using flop OB while AT blocks more of the Ax/Tx two pair and thus wants to shovel in the $ faster OTT itself.

Theory is fun.

Best way to get the answers would be to look at OOP’s response to both nodes OTT.

Two flush draws and a bunch of possible straight draws. Sort of feels like V turned a combo draw and wants to apply max pressure with it.

Hard to give him credit for every combo of AT, A8, TT, T8 or 88 the way this played. We block AT and A8, and AT might be a 3B pre or a raise on the flop. TT probably raises flop. 88 probably folds flop. 44 probably raises flop.

If V has T8 we have 8 outs to a better 2P or trip A's.

We've got top pair, 2nd best kicker, and 1 of each suit on the board, taking away some of his flush outs. If V has J9s, we also have one of his straight outs.

Unlikely V just flat called pre with AK.

Feels like a spot we should be willing to go with our hand, and call.

Really hard to imagine a worse hand to call with in this spot. You don’t want to have a Heart, a Club, or a Queen here, and you have all three!

I think you played it well, bet flop and overbet-folding the Turn.

For a 2.5x BB raise PF he could theoretically be protecting his BB quite loose. As played I'd be tempted to say 44, T8, or even T4s if he's a loose euro (which I assume is the case, since you called him out). Guess it's possible he's shoving a big draw, but you've overbet flop and turn which screams strength to me, so the worst I would expect him to have is a pair + draw. Not sure how you're ahead here in this particular hand...

Without checking solve again I am pretty sure that AK would be threshold for value OB OTT and worth noting that even if AQo could get into turn OB range (don’t think it would, maybe combo with both suits unblocking FD it might), this is the worst combo to turn OB.
AP, I’d fold turn.

I'd like more info on V, but until then I can find a fold on the turn. It's BTN vs BB, though, so it might easily be a call vs the right player.

What does he think of you?

Ask V what he thinks of you OTT next time.

If that's the only way you can get info from a player, go for it. I pay attention during the game and get a feel for how they play and how they see me, which seems to work pretty well.

I was just being silly Java

Thank goodness! Sorry for reading it wrong -- not like you so I should have known Sorry about that.

I do think reads are a big part of this hand.

I don’t know…. 90bigs is awfully short to go folding this hand. $600 to call into $1,200 I don’t think calling is that bad. Probably I’m 50/50 in game. Leaning towards call. I am -EV sticky though.

I think your OB kind of ****ed you in this hand. If you leaned more towards 50%-75% pot, you would put him in a bit of an awkward spot to overplay his combo draws and make his jam more face-up for you to call off. Unless you have some kind of history or read, AP, fold, but it's kind of gross. Hand would be a thin hero call, if anything at this point.

Not that it matters all that much, but how quickly did he X/RAI to your OB?

Interested in how this one turned out.

Hero folds and villain shows a combo draw. I don’t remember exactly the combo anymore