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12-28-2012 , 10:35 PM
Not quite sure what BBV means. Like
I said its my first post and new to the forums. I just honestly thought about folding here. So I was wondering what other players would have done in this spot. Fold or not, win or loss I would have made the post
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12-28-2012 , 11:21 PM
call call def a little better than shove as a total game plan imo, allows villain level into sth stupid, and you already know what you're doing
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12-29-2012 , 12:25 AM
what if we had KK or AA or people still wanting to just call the flop?
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12-29-2012 , 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by PokeherFace19
Not quite sure what BBV means. Like
I said its my first post and new to the forums. I just honestly thought about folding here. So I was wondering what other players would have done in this spot. Fold or not, win or loss I would have made the post
I would fold (I like to think). It would have been wrong this time but being able to get away from hands like this is a big value in my opinion. With ordinary opponents, don't give away all your money on top pair hands. Villain has given you every reason to think you're either slightly ahead or way behind.

Note that many of possible draws (i.e. flush draw + straight draw + overcards) actuallly have more than 50% equity at this point, so they should be glad to call an all-in shove. Therefore, you don't gain that much fold equity when you shove.

On the other hand, a big draw seems unlikely when opponent didn't take the time to count his outs.
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12-30-2012 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bad Lobster
I would fold (I like to think). It would have been wrong this time but being able to get away from hands like this is a big value in my opinion. With ordinary opponents, don't give away all your money on top pair hands. Villain has given you every reason to think you're either slightly ahead or way behind.

Note that many of possible draws (i.e. flush draw + straight draw + overcards) actuallly have more than 50% equity at this point, so they should be glad to call an all-in shove. Therefore, you don't gain that much fold equity when you shove.

On the other hand, a big draw seems unlikely when opponent didn't take the time to count his outs.
If you're a decent player you don't need to count your outs when you check raise a draw, you know it when the flop falls, that's an instant thing, so if i know im gonna check raise this flop against OR (because he might cbet too wide, or simply bet/calling too tight and therefore bet fold hands as strong as TPTK or even an overpair, i don't need to couhnt my outs i know that my ATss is gonna raise/calling and that im gonna jam the turn on any card if i get called (i might check flushes because now it's really a WA WB situation and we don't fear any cards, except some pairing ones but OR would have jammed flop with top 2 or sets so, it doesn't change much).
So except if you have check raised a weak draw like 87ss you know you always have the equity to call the shove if op shoves whether your have NFD + gutter (ATss) or flush draw + open ender (KTss or T9ss)
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