Why do we bet? To get value or to bluff? If we have value, will we get the call we want? If a bluff, will we get the fold we want. Standard stuff.
Without getting all MUBSY here, what hands does villain trap with here? 99+ pairs, correct? How many combinations of each of those hands are in play here.
When we get to the river, can he play TT this way? If so (and it is my belief based on your reads that this is correct), then this is an easy time not to CBet for villain.
If he has an A4s hand, I would kinda think he is Cbetting with his LAGGY image.....because he really would like you to fold.
These are the extremes because, well if he is trapping with 88 or a high non-pair, Gawd Bless Him. He goes to the Church of Aggression and doesn't CBet a VERY dry flop. Some LAGs (even pro) I have seen will not want to fold you out on the flop when they have a favorable flop. LAGs like to be trappy in general. Here we have zero info on Hero image. Possible he sees you as a fit/fold type?
Earlier, you explained why you did not 4! or bet flop. All sound reasons. Now take it to the next level and think about why a LAG would give up on a very dry flop.
why did you check behind on the flop? are you figuring you are ahead of his range and want him to pick up something on the turn to call you with? As played, you look like you have scaredy cat AK, so the river seems like an auto-call.
Why do we bet? To get value or to bluff? If we have value, will we get the call we want? If a bluff, will we get the fold we want. Standard stuff.
Without getting all MUBSY here, what hands does villain trap with here? 99+ pairs, correct? How many combinations of each of those hands are in play here.
When we get to the river, can he play TT this way? If so (and it is my belief based on your reads that this is correct), then this is an easy time not to CBet for villain.
If he has an A4s hand, I would kinda think he is Cbetting with his LAGGY image.....because he really would like you to fold.
These are the extremes because, well if he is trapping with 88 or a high non-pair, Gawd Bless Him. He goes to the Church of Aggression and doesn't CBet a VERY dry flop. Some LAGs (even pro) I have seen will not want to fold you out on the flop when they have a favorable flop. LAGs like to be trappy in general. Here we have zero info on Hero image. Possible he sees you as a fit/fold type?
Earlier, you explained why you did not 4! or bet flop. All sound reasons. Now take it to the next level and think about why a LAG would give up on a very dry flop.
very nice hand reading. so.. do you think we should bet the flop when he checks to us?
why did you check behind on the flop? are you figuring you are ahead of his range and want him to pick up something on the turn to call you with?
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Originally Posted by TeamKB
so, i guess big question is the flop?
check back? cbet?
i chose to check/back b/c:
1. i thought he'd fold all of his air
2. it might induce later bluffs
3. it might give him a chance to catch a pair
4. still shallow enough to give up a street of value and still get stacks in
I like not betting the flop. It keeps villain's entire range in play. "More" importantly, our SPR is low enough, we can give a free street on this flop texture. If I were to bet flop...it would purely be to induce, so making it small is optimal $40-60
Sorry, he showed you quads...but you are CLEARLY ahead of range here. I think he gambled by not betting turn...but worked out well for him.
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edit: If he showed with X9 (mostly A9 I am guessing, but maybe as low as T9), would betting prior take him off the hand? Do you push the flop to take him off X9.....HECK NO you don't want him folding his "almost" entire range here on the flop, amirite?
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villain: [/B] LAG pro. has tightened up some over past months. but is often over aggressive and makes huge bluffs when he can't rep big hands. he's a very aggressive 3bettor also
you done good, KB. You gotta call if you are confident of your read.
In general I am always 3 betting for value mainly because we are OOP. Sure stacks are shallow but we are OOP and will be 3 handed most of the time. I am not thrilled about flatting when we are out of position and think it's a 3 bet close to 100% of the time. In position I think we can flat a lot more often but it's not a default by any means.
Flatting the 3 bet really depends on our image. If we haven't 3 bet and we have a nit image it's not a terrible flat. If our image wasn't considered at all I really hate the flat call. The hand as played I think we need to be stationing but the biggest problem with the hand is we are OOP and unsure what villans actual 3 betting range is.
Your preflop cold call looks really strong. Something like TT-QQ/AK. So don't really think there are many bluffs in V's range but it's really hard to fold once you decided to underrep your hand so much.
Speaking of value hands, I think V has far more 9x in his range than A4s here as he'd definitely bet turn with A4s as a delayed cbet wouldn't have looked believable to you. Wouldn't be suprised if he turned over 99 either.
Your preflop cold call looks really strong. Something like TT-QQ/AK. So don't really think there are many bluffs in V's range but it's really hard to fold once you decided to underrep your hand so much.
Speaking of value hands, I think V has far more 9x in his range than A4s here as he'd definitely bet turn with A4s as a delayed cbet wouldn't have looked believable to you. Wouldn't be suprised if he turned over 99 either.
not disagreeing.. just would like to understand which of his actions in this hand suggests this conclusion?
The fact that he 3! with 97s from the SB. Effective stacks are $500. He is putting in 16% of his stack with 9 high...out of position. This cannot, ever, be a profitable play.
