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07-13-2011 , 11:48 PM
This guy goth ed to our table about hr ago. Reads are that he is loose passive fish. History with him he raised preflop got 2 callers I call bb w q9cc. Flop q96hh i check he bets 100 folded to me I c/r 320 he calls. Turn 10h I bet 400 he calls river x I bet 500 he calls.

Villain 6500$ hero covers
I have 66 utg raid to 30 he makes it 80 in mp, button calls , bb calls, Flop k64 r I check he bets 120 folded to me i decide to go for turn c/r and call.
Turn j ( bringing fd ) I check he bets 250 I cheek raise to 800 he calls pretty quickly.
River ace , by this point I know he has ak or aa I bet 800 he makes it 2300
Hero?
Open to hear other river options.
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07-13-2011 , 11:55 PM
what are u playing with 5/10 blinds? early tournament? you need to be more precise in your explanation too if u want someone to analise or give there opinion, what suits the cards are is an obv help, what buyin/tournie/sng, stage e/em/m/ml/l, stack sizes, hard to make the situation out with the given information.
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07-14-2011 , 12:04 AM
all in
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07-14-2011 , 12:12 AM
This is 5-10nl cash game
Flop was rainbow
Turn brought a flush draw and river did not complete a flush
In the first hand he had aa. That was villains only open preflop he limped all other hands. This was villain first 3 bet.
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07-14-2011 , 12:16 AM
not shoving, but i don't know if i could find a fold. he prolly had OP/AQ in hand 1 and stationed down since board was so wet.

obv 3betting range is TT+,AJs+ (at the widest) but more likely JJ/QQ+,AK. generally, when loose-passives put in aggressive action for large amounts of cash the got a pretty nutted hand especially to raise your river bet!


i call since making the wrong fold is much much worse long term in these types of spots than making a wrong call.
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07-14-2011 , 03:12 AM
c/r flop so that you give yourself a chance to get most of stacks in by the river if the board stays nice. On the river as played I would have bet 1500 and folded to a raise.
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07-14-2011 , 03:29 AM
Slightly favoring all-in over a call, but folding is never an option. Who folds sets, seriously?
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07-14-2011 , 05:22 AM
meh he could have aces up

cawl
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07-14-2011 , 05:44 AM
is everyone serious? this is so much closer to a fold than a raise but i probably end up calling
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07-14-2011 , 06:01 AM
You never mention what he called with in the first hand. That's of importance. (Although maybe he just mucks as it's live)? Regardless, you make a large mistake not raising the flop against this player. You have $6420 left in a $440 pot! You need to get that money in there. $700 on flop, $1500 on turn and $4220 on river. As played I would try to figure out how likely he is to 3-bet AK before the flop (I'm not sure if a loose passive fish does all the time) to decide between a call or 3-bet, although most likely ending up with a call.
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07-14-2011 , 09:00 AM
call> fold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shove
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07-14-2011 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by O0Brian0O
is everyone serious? this is so much closer to a fold than a raise but i probably end up calling
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07-14-2011 , 09:48 AM
bet more on the river
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07-14-2011 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
bet more on the river
and this.
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07-14-2011 , 12:18 PM
I ended up folding, I just don't think fish look into bet sizing as much, and I dint think he would raise w ak. I showd him what I folded, and told him if he shows me ak i would go on mega tilt and loose the 15k I had in front of me.
He mucked his hand and said that he had ak, which makes believe he had aa. Still not sure about the fold. Good player at table told me I should of checke called, science I can't bet fold sets. I think betting is better. Thoughts?
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07-14-2011 , 12:20 PM
This fold can only be correct if villian never check raises ak here, and I highly doubt that. You can't just pretend someone binked a 2 outer and fold.
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07-14-2011 , 12:27 PM
Don't show IMO. if you're afraid you'll lose sleep just ask if he'll show for like 100 bucks (maybe even less would work)


Btw, I don't think river is ever a 3bet shove.
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07-14-2011 , 12:29 PM
Fish do look at bet sizing insofar as what hands they would make that size bet with. So when you made the same size bet on the river as you did the turn the fish might think he should raise his AK since he only makes same size bets with meh hands.

c/c is not an option.

Fish is never folding AK to a big bet and much more likely to only raise AA.
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07-14-2011 , 07:28 PM
Should have offered him a black chip to show you a worse hand. This is obviously very close, but I don't hate the fold. I think he can raise AK here, but most loose passive fish are just calling with top 2 here, and he's obviously never bluffing. Anyone who suggests shoving here is ****ing terrible.
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07-14-2011 , 09:41 PM
use poker stove.
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07-15-2011 , 02:07 AM
pre seems key, loose-passive fish prob not 3betting AK so seems heavily weighted towards AA
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07-18-2011 , 04:39 AM
Bet more on the river, And it's a pretty solid fold, not many are capable of.
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07-19-2011 , 02:05 PM
Pretty gross. Shoving is ridiculously bad, but I think it is really close between calling and folding. There is $5100 in there for you to call $1500 more, so your odds are pretty good given the absolute value of your hand. Still, I doubt this villain would call Hero's turn CR "pretty quickly" with AK so his range is heavily weighted towards AA. Q is how heavily....u need him to hold AK 29% of the time or more to make calling 0 EV.

Really really tough fold here bu I think you made the right play.
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07-19-2011 , 02:21 PM
Fold, they almost never raise river with AK, and dont 3bet pre sometimes even

You should always raise flop against that type of villain, he very often has AA with that type of 3bet pre and never folds it for any amount. Allow yourself to get the stacks in by the river
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