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03-25-2016 , 10:53 AM
Game is playing fairly passive overall, with lots of flops seeing multiway action for a single raise. Hero probably has a TAG image, but not overly tight. I've shown down mainly reasonable hands. I have 1400 to start, and villain covers.

Villain Is a late 20's early 30's white male, possibly a pro. He was talking about his biggest cash game experience he's ever had recently, which was a 50-100 PLO game where he cashed out for over 40K. That being said, he's played relatively straight forward, snug, and I haven't seen him get out of line at all. He's shown down KK once, and that time he made a larger than normal preflop raise. His stack hasn't moved much throughout this session, and each time he's dipped below the max (1500), he's topped off.

Folded to hero in MP who is about to open to 60 with AJo, when I get a visual tell on my opponent to the left of me. Whenever he's going to fold, he picks up his cards ready to pitch them, whenever he's going to play, he grabs his chips. I see him grabbing chips, so I decide to limp. He indeed limps along (was expecting a raise), villain raises to $100 on the button (standard raise), SB calls (loose passive player who plays relatively fit or fold), straddle calls (same description), I LRR to 420, villain calls, everyone else folds.

Flop is A55r

I bet 300, villain calls

Turn is 2 putting 2 hearts on board.

I check, he goes all in pretty quickly, I call.

Thoughts?
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03-25-2016 , 11:59 AM
If I saw villain grab chips I'd just raise bigger with ace jack not limp reraise . Now you have to play a guessing game whether he puts you on a big pair and wants you to fold or he has a bigger ace and figures you'll call off. I would fold based on my experience . If hes an aggro donk I like your line and I would call turn
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03-25-2016 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sts916
If I saw villain grab chips I'd just raise bigger with ace jack not limp reraise .
It wasn't the main villain who grabbed the chips, it was someone else in the hand. Sorry if that was unclear. I actually wasn't planning of LRR until seeing how the action developed. Of note I don't think I've open limped once during this session (I almost never do).
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03-25-2016 , 01:45 PM
This is so individual specific, your line looks like you're spazzing out with a medium pair but most people won't float/jam on you just because of that, and you don't beat anything in his value range. Why did you 3bet pre?
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03-25-2016 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ranma4703
Why did you 3bet pre?
Because there's lots of dead money to pickup once we get those 2 overcallers (they aren't overcalling with their premiums I don't think), and my line looks strong (I think).
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03-25-2016 , 06:10 PM
Limping in MP with a straddle on doesn't make me think you are super strong, I think it does polarize your perceived range. While there is a lot of dead money to pick up, you still have to actually pick up the money for that to matter. I would rather squeeze 78s and AA here then a hand like AJ - even though you are out of position, so you should get flatted more often, when you do get flatted you will have the worst of it a good % of the time. And for that I would rather have a weaker hand that I couldn't flat the raise with.

However, I don't really have an open limping/3betting range, so I could be wrong about the proper construction of one.



For postflop, I would be checking the flop, for a bunch of reasons including: range protection, situation is WA/WB, SPR is low so if we want to get stacks in we easily can even if flop checks through
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03-25-2016 , 09:16 PM
Grunch... What is going on in this hand lol.

Why only $1400 deep at 5-10-20?

Why would we limp just bc V is reaching for chips? Just bc he wants to play his hand doesnt mean we take this weird trappy line with a the classic trouble hand.

Why on earth do we think AJ is a good LRR hand vs a snug player at these stack depths?

As played like no... No u do not stack off here lol. Check fold turn even though u pretty much committed yourself with flop cbet. U are almost never good
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03-25-2016 , 10:13 PM
If I were villain I'd think OP's line looks like a med pair that he got spazzy with. I also probably don't have many bluffs in my range that call flop, but if I was stuck or something I could see myself floating flop just because OP's line looks really fos.
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04-01-2016 , 09:01 AM
Results: River was a blank, I flipped over my hand (even though he's the last aggressor this casino has a weird rule that if there is no betting on the river then first to act shows), and he mucks.

I thought postflop was pretty straight forward, and the more interesting part of this hand was preflop. I don't know the optimal way to LRR in "tougher games." I thought this was a nice opportunity to do it without a premium, and with my stack size I could easily LRR/F, or give up on the flop if it looks awful (KQ9).

My normal preflop game is if I'm first in, I raise. I almost never go for the LRR, and maybe I just don't know the situations to do it most profitably. Obviously UTG with AA is nice, but that also opens your hand face up if that's the only situation you do it, and pretty exploitable. I see lots of players, myself included, who put out a feeler raise preflop to like 3BB after a few limpers to see if anyone was sandbagging (of course there's an easy counter to this). I'm just looking for some thoughts on how often you guys use this move, and with what hands, and from what positions. I like the overlimp reraise idea, but it's very risky. I don't know, my default is just to raise anytime I enter the pot preflop unless there's been a few limpers already.
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04-01-2016 , 11:58 AM
Ax suited would be good hands for bluff range if you must LRR
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04-01-2016 , 02:10 PM
Having a balanced ep limping range in ep is probably a good thing For live full ring.
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04-02-2016 , 08:15 AM
I think you're beat by all his value and I don't see any hands he would be bluffing with (besides pure air/ax of hearts),it looks like a gold to me...but I'm interested to see what everyone says.
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04-02-2016 , 07:10 PM
1. not raising b/c you think someone else is going to raise pre is pretty meh, dont do it

2. LRR AJo w 70bb is bad bad bad

3. Fold turn. If V is solid as you say, there's no value hand he has that AJ beats. And if he is as solid as you say, there's very few bluffs he gets to that turn with. His most likely hand is AK, AQ.

This is exacly why you don't LRR AJo w 70bb
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