5/10, game is loose/passive for the most part. A couple fish just got up, and I'm waiting for a seat in 5/5 game cause good aggro 5/10+ reg now has the god seat on me.

He is villain in this hand, he's capable of multi street bluffs, but also thin value for multi streets, likes delay cbetting, loves to 3bet light pre, etc. Eff stacks ~1900

Not much history to speak of between me and Villain, except he knows I'm a reg in this room, prob thinks I'm solid/fairly tight. My table image is TAG, I've won 2 pots without showdown in ~1 hr.

2 loose passive fish limp to me BTN, Hero raises to 50 with 1010.

Villain 3b to 160 from SB, fold fold, Hero calls


Flop (345) Q72r

check check


Turn (345) 9x completes rainbow

V bets 200, Hero calls


River (745) Kx

V takes about 12 secs and bets 400. Hero?


Would you rather 4b pre?

Would you rather shove river as bluff or fold?

Anyone calling river as played?

If you have a clean image then I love a shove here. Rarely calling given he can v-bet light.

So, you shove, then Villain is calling around $1100 to win around $2300. He's obviously repping AK or inducing you to call/shove with your AK against his set or straight. When you call the turn your perceived range is still wide, with Villain perhaps discounting AQ, KQ, AA, KK. In this respect, when you shove, you're repping QQ, J10, and 99 only (a mere 10 combos if you only play a suited J10). Do you check flop and merely call turn with KK? (It is conceivable, but perhaps not for someone with your TAG image.) Will Villain fold AK when getting 2:1? Also, how often do you have S/D value with 1010 (not often, really)?

I think with stacks you should make this 350-380pf.

I think his pf value range in this spot is something like AJo+ KQs 99+. I'm not sure how often he thinks you fold in spots like this but he could easily have hands like A2s if he thinks you fold to 3bets a lot and/or you play fit or fold in 3bet pots.

His value range on the river is QQ, KK, AA, KQ, AQ, 99. I definitely think he could vbet AQ here hoping to get called by 88, TT, JJ, QJ and possibly A9s depending on how he views you.

Given this and without more info on how wide his 3betting range is pre its a fold or a shove.

You credibly rep 77, 99, 22 and JT. I think villain will heavily discount, as in giving you less than 1 of the 6 combos, QQ and KK. Don't think he will expect you to shove KQ with your image either.

Shove this.

If you are uncomfortable playing postflop vs this guy then just 4bet this pre IMO. As played this is a real tough spot as you actually beat a hand or two he could value bet, such as A9. I think since you beat something and block JT I may find a call here. Pushing sounds great in theory but I think you just get looked up tbh.

Also I'd bet the flop.

You say that we have the best hand a lot but don't wanna shove because he's gonna look us up? I'm confused. Also I doubt he tries to vbet A9 here, betting that hand is a bluff against 99% of players.

The op said he liked to value bet thinly. A9 could plausibly value bet when our range looks like ace high, 9x/7x/2x or a small pocket pair.

Why are you confused by the statement "we may have the best hand but he likely looks us up with better hands when we shove?" Just because we may have the best hand doesn't logically follow that shoving as a bluff would be a good play. Shoving represents K9/JT exactly, while we get to the river with approximately 50 times more hands than K9/JT, so I see no reason for him to fold to a shove with any hand he's value betting, including A9.

If you posted the hand in reverse and gave villain KQ most would probably advocate folding, there's <5% chance he looks us up with a single pair imo

Those people would be bad at handreading. We show up with 99/KQ/K9/JT very rarely here compared to the times we have really bad hands that want desperately to win the pot.

WRT us getting looked up here, anecdotally I just find that the check behind flop call turn raise river line vs a preflop reraisor has almost never worked for me.

Except that 95% of regs won't shove in 240bb's on the river as a bluff. We're getting called here waaaay less than you're suggesting

I reckon it gets through every time he doesn't have KQ+ and even some of the he does, must jam imo

I very much dislike 4betting this pre. Good players will infrequently call 4bets OOP with these stacks so unless you're planning to stack off which would be -EV without history so you're wasting the good value that your hand has.

On the river certainly fold>call. I think shoving definitely has merit though and is probably best given your image. Could you elaborate on the point that he "loves delay cbetting?" What kind of hands has he done it with--air or weak made hands?

Ty for the replies. Not confident he's vbetting A9 here. Not sure re A/KQ, and he def has a lot of Ax/Kx type hands that he likes to 3/4b pre. Not sure if he knows that I view him as aggro or not. So I think this is pretty good spot for him to rep AK/KQ and he prob b/f most of those medium strength hands?

The only thing I know is that he likes to delay cbet and sometimes barrel those. Just heard this from friends, not something I've seen.

Not much history between us.

I like a shove, but it depends on what your range is pre for flatting a 3 bet i.p. 190 bbs deep. Are you going to have a fair amount of qk or 10-j or is this pretty much exclusively jj and 10-10?

^ I think it matters more what my perceived range is in his eyes. Vs him I would def not flat pre with J10s IO type hands since he's wide so often. But he may not know that, since he may very well not be aware of the fact that I know he's squeezing wide and alot of ppl obv flat 3b with hands such as J10s or KQs. So shove/fold is prob really close.

don't 4bet pre with TT here. you got plenty of pot odds and position. With your image, 4 bet just gets him to raise better and fold worse. the only reason to 4 bet him with this hand is when you have some preflop war going on with him and you think there is a high percentage chance he will try to 5 bet bluff you.

he's not value betting A9. if he is betting it, then it's a bad value bet.

On the river, I think fold is usually better than shoving. You have to have a really clean image for shoving. If you're under 30 looking, I would look you up with the hands I valued with, cuz there are sooo many pairs you could be turning into a bluff.

Yes,perceived range is exactly what I meant,also how stationey he is on rivers matters alot as well.

I bet flop when he checks to me. He views you as solid so he probably respects your flop bet. Never liked given my V free cards. If he check/raises me, I'm done with it. As played, I would, raise his turn bet from $200 to $500, but by checking flop you put urself in a much more potentionally expensive predicament, when you could have bet him $200/250 on flop. IMO opinion V is bluffing when betting the $200 on turn, then takes only 12 seconds to bet $400 on river. I just call river trying to pick a bluff off, coz with the little info we have to go on about V, and the way you checked flop, he knows u don't have a Q. I think he put u on exactly what you have, an underpair to the Q. Tough, tough spot, but with great risk, comes great reward.......or the sword. Just do urself a favor and bet the flop next time. Also don't like the shove on his river bet becoz, from info about V, I think he calls your shove if he has a legitamate hand of TP solid kicker. I get the drift he ain't much good at Folding top pair with that much already in the pot. A lot of guess work bro, Gl

Yea this is important, and I don't know, unfortunately.

Why are you betting flop? What worse hands are calling? He's never folding anything better. With most equity he's betting the flop a good chunk of the time. I have a tighter image, and it's hard to get any value in that spot. I can, however, easily get c/r bluffed off the best hand.

Also, he is of course capable of folding top pair if action indicates it's beat.