Lol no you caught me can see how in fr v 6m limping can become
More attractive

ya. 5-10-unlimited straddle and restraddle from any position PLO/NL mix every tues and thurs. strange group, game goes from smallish to hugish when u least expect it. wine flows cards get ripped.

if we limp this hand here, do we even have a raising range in this spot?

These are pretty bad aces, I think they benefit more from limping than most AAxx hands. I think pretty clearly that AA72r would be a limp here, AAK9ss is certainly significantly better but still not a great hand to play an SPR ~4-7 pot with.

I think you should certainly raise here with aces that are slightly better, certainly any double suited ones or even AAKTss or AAK5ss, but these aces seem to slightly prefer limp-reraising.

You should also be raising here IMO with any smooth equity hand that plays well in a shorter-handed shallow stacked pot. ABBB suited to the ace, decent single and double-suited rundowns, etc.

(disclaimer: intermediate PLO player)

Cool. Thx. That's what I was thinking. People would put 100 in with decent hands, he would squeeze very likely, I would pot, the rest would be variance.

I think it's very normal to play better against people you know.

It's a pretty good, soft, gambly, anything goes, limon will buy you drinks if you want atmosphere. I happened to wake up once in my life in time to check it out. Gave the good people at bike a cool 5k for their hospitality.

In this exact spot, I would have raised almost any hand I was gonna play that I wouldn't be happy 3betting. No idea if that was good thinking, just what I decided in the moment.

just read ^^^ and renton articulated kind of what I was thinking very well (shocker), though I would have limped any AA hoping for a 3b prior to reading his post.

I limped, everyone folded, and Tilts checked.

The flop came AK6.

TM quickly pots it 220.

Hero...?

Wasn't referring to FR vs. 6 max, PLO but the fact that a lot of the answers seem very Holdem oriented.

Was referring to the fact that "iso'ing" in general in live FR plo is a pretty silly idea barring a single limp and us being otb. When I raise I'm barely ever considering it an iso actually and more so bloating a pot for value when I have good run downs and position. I'm pretty sure this is the correct mindset to have in very stationy, multiway, deep plo games which live PLO games almost always are.

I also guessed that potting here wouldn't necessarily ISO and then we have crap aces with crap SPR in a game where people have 4 cards.

We do have the btn but that just furthers the argument for a flat bc worse case we have semi disguised hand with nfd in position but best case is just sooooo good that we risk worse case (which still isn't even bad, I mean we only have Aces single suit) for best case bc in best case we print a lot of money.

what do we think will happen if we raise small? if we raise to $500-550 will he pot it so we can re-pot?

pot

Pot pre

As played, raise to 720
please don't bluff if diamond comes on turn or river, yeah we have nut blocker but I doubt tilts is in a folding mode.

bet the max, his range is basically 95% fds and he's not folding

Do they not give players 4 cards in plo in LA? Every live plo game I play seems to go 4 or 5 ways in every pot.

The stacks sizes behind you seem quite shallow are people ever 3-betting opens with strong value hands other than aces?

He said on the first 10 posts he doesn't expect a 3b by someone without AA unless CO tilt spazzes

My bad didnt see that.

If this is the case I think like limping here almost always not only for this hand in a vacuum but also as part of a balanced strategy.

Since you are first to act pre-flop but last to act on all other streets you are gonna be wanting to play a lot of hands for cheap on the button, especially with these stack sizes. Limping almost all of your hands is the best way to do this in a balanced way.

In a vacuum limping is pretty good as well, because it seems like the best way to get the most money in the pot pre-flop is to hope someone isos or the straddle raises. Also in a single raised pot you can easily put yourself in a lot of awkward spots where you either fold incorrectly or get it in as an equity underdog.

Don't see myself doing anything besides raising. You don't want to let him off the hook on scare turn cards if you happened to cooler him. If your image is crazy aggressive he may sometime get stubborn with hands as weak as bottom two pair. He will sometimes shove his stronger draws as well. If he has jqtx with diamonds you are only 51 percent favorite, if he has bare jqdd you are a little over 60 percent favorite.

If you have some sort of read that his barreling range is very high a strong argument can be made for just calling (especially since you have the king blocker which reduces his value hands). On the other hand you having the ace of diamond slightly reduces his barreling hands.

Damn. Raising small seems pretty smart to me now that you mention it. He won't reraise anything imo since he can't have the nuts (KK is also super unlikely given pre + me blocking) or the nut draw, but he should peel pretty damn light.

Agreed. Not a good time to bluff at all.

I'm sure you (and the previous few posters) are right, that now is the time to build this pot. I'm a plo fish though and flatted because:

1) he's capped at bottom set
2) he can't have nfd
3) based on 1 & 2 (plus his state of mind), his pot leading range has lots of complete air/hands that will snap fold to a raise in it
4) he might just barrel off air/I don't hate feigning weakness in spots like this (in poker in general) where I'm in position and have everything yet I'm super underrepped based on pre- when a villain is primed for a blow-up game flow wise.
5) I didn't like the spot I would be in if villain called a raise and a peeled off on the turn--> I check back obv (right?) and turn my hand face up.
6) I really wanted to raise a brick turn

***I'm not arguing that any of ^^^ is correct/even decent at all, just presenting my plo fish logic as an explanation of why I flatted, in case it drives some additional helpful conversation/allows people to discuss further streets in a "uh ok, whatever, sometimes-maybe I flat there in theory I guess, what happened next?" type way.

Hi mmix, hope all is well.

Yeah, multiway was the norm when it was 5-10 or even 5-10-20, I thought the 100 in the cutoff and an open on the button would shut people down pretty hard tho...

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So anyways, after flatting pre, I flatted flop () and the turn was the 3. Villain bets 300.

Hero just calls, right? Or is raising small to check back non-pairing rivers better given my nut blocker?

I dont really like raising small and checking back bricks. Im either calling and seeing a river and proceed from there (can still sometimes raise on blanks, but probably never just calling blanks). If you are going to bluff the turn I think you should either raise big or raise small with the intention of betting blank rivers.

One advantage of raising the turn is if the board does pair he may sometimes try to bluff you off a flush if he thinks his low flush is no good or value cut himself with a smaller boat.

pot pre call flop