1/2 9 handed home game. .. all regs w lots of history

Hero is LAG PF but fairly TAG post .. exception being he will almost always bet Turn if Flop and Turn are checked through to him in position. Mixes up c-bet frequency to allow for traps

V is even more fishy LAG with little regard for position. Plays ATC. V has issues w Hero for unknown reasons but constantly tells others he likes to get Hero chips.

Hero stack is 420 .. V covers due to unlimited buyin and is down 600 so far in session.

Hero opens MP for 11 (Hero standard in this game regardless of position without additional limpers) w KK .. HJ shoves for 52 .. V in BB looks at cards and says he will help out the short stack and flats. V then shows neighbor his cards but Hero cant get read.

Hero is never flatting here ... so 4bet for value and how big or just shove?

Gotta love when fish put a target on hero's back If you think V will call a shove, then shove.

Gii is a such a big bet that most Vs will fold. I'd be more inclined to raise smaller to sucker him in....like $175 pre and then $245 on the flop.

If you think V is never folding hands like 99 and AJ to an all-in pre, then just gii pre.

gii pre

Also, if he has a grudge against you or a vendetta that just even widens his range and probably makes it more likely he will call. Yeah I'm getting it in preflop and not thinking twice.

If we gii pre we give him a chance to jump off the hook.

150 to 175 pre then shove flop.

$150. Maybe $140
Jams all flops.

We are so far ahead. I would raise smaller if you think it would induce a call from super weak hands.

~175 is good for flop shove.

QFT.

Watch the neighbor as the flop comes. If his eyes dart to V when the flop hits, then expect that the flop hit...

Thanks so far. I went with a raise of $82 ... thus $134 total ... putting $320 into the pot with $286 behind. I wanted to give off some idea that I was maybe weak and that I may be able to fold OTF and 'know' that this V will not donk bet unless he hits the board somehow and he will probably check sets (only) and misses.

Flop is Js6s4h ... V checks after again looking at his cards. Hero's only move is shove or go for more 'value'? This board is so bad ...

Since V is adversarial, we can consider grossly underbetting (like not even 25% of the pot) as a way of "daring" him to come over the top. We can get a lot of information from how he reacts to this. If he flats, we can probably rule out sets. If he raises, we can reassess the situation based on his physical/sizing tells and his neighbor's tells. He also might laugh at our small bet which, if followed by a raise, often signals strength. If he folds, then that's that.

I think would've raised bigger, say 160-170 and then shove virtually all flops. Since he called 134, he's likely not folding to 160 either. The pot would then have 370ish, and it's an easy shove with your remaining 260. I would also do it fairly quick after the flop comes out too, to look bluffy, and as if you've decided to play AK against him this way. IMO, his range is a lot of pocket pairs, and on that board, I would really only be worried about 66.

I think it's actually not a bad idea to just shove all in pre either. Again, given history, if V truly "wants Hero's chips," V will probably level himself into calling.

I think betting small OTF and trying to induce is somewhat FPS here. We have a villain who has a vendetta for whatever reason against Hero. Make villain think you're trying to push him out. Villain will level himself to call hero with worse.

This is true except this V seems unconcerned with physicals (since he shared his cards) so we give ourselves an opportunity for more info when we lob the action back over to him (and his neighbor). We also give him a chance to hero-bluff which players who have shared their hands like to do. He doesn't want to be Hero's bitch by folding to a small flop bet, his ego will force him to continue or open fold something like 7-2. Plus, he's only flatting hands we're beating.

$125

Make sure villain doesnt fold AQ KQs 77.

Bet $65.

I think 100 otf is big enough to induce spew, while at the same time big enough to commit us without telegraphing that we're committed. I like your sizing pre.

Stuff it pre.

Give him a chance to convince himself you'd never play AA like that, put you on AK, and make a horrible decision with a pocket pair or AK. Those hands are a big chunk of his range, and his ego won't let him fold them.

Once again, thanks for the responses ... on with the hand.

I went with $186 on the Flop and left $100 behind. V hates the bet .. says 'I have to be behind, but I might have 11 outs too' after almost mucking twice. (Not sure how you get 11 outs) .. then 'Even with 11 outs I'm not priced in ... Im all in!!'

Of course I call and he says he only wants to run it once.

K on the Turn ... and of course ... 3s on River. V shows Q9s to scoop.

He then forces me to show my hand just to gloat at how far behind he was and that he 'knew' what I was doing but couldnt help himself ... and then proceeds to try and '10 high' the neighbor he showed the cards to.

I have no regrets, I played the situation exactly the way I wanted to. V called with bad EV the whole way and I was basically 80-20 going to the River. Obv in a results 'world' I need to shove PF and he folds out, but I think trying to bleed a willing V was the way to go here .. perhaps just shove Flop and be happy with the dead money whilst not tempting fate. GL

You got owned by a V that can't even count, lol. Game sounds amazing, chips please!

Grunch...

I vote a value 4-bet here, to smewhere between the $150-$200 range. You can raise by pot, putting you in that range. If V then shoves, then snap. If V only calls, then your're looking at a ~$350 - ~$450 size pot with a 1/2-2/3 pot flop bet left, which seems pretty ideal to me.

Try slowclapping him

I like your preflop sizing, but I think your flop bet was kind of big and showed you were NEVER folding so its harder for him to put you on AK. I think a 90 bet might get a hand like TT/99/88 to call one bet and maybe induce a shove with those hands, same goes for his drawing hands like he did

Doh