Hi everyone. Another hand to share.

A bit of information about the villain in this hand. Earlier in the sessions, the villain had a $6 straddle on. I was UTG and looked down at Kc Ks. I made it $26 pre after the small blind limped, and the button and SB both called. The flop was Kh Jh 6h, I Cbet for $60, villain 3b jammed for $200 effective, and I called. Villain had 4h 5h, and I filled up on turn, and took it down.

With that history is shared, here is the hand:

I have Jc 10c in SB. Villain in MP makes it $7, I call and we go 4 ways to flop.

Flop 3c Js Ac.
I lead for $12, folds to villain in MP who 3 bets to $32. I call.

Turn is Ad. I check, he checks back.

River is 6c. I lead for $40, he tanks, and jams for $150, so it's $110 for me to call

Again, villain 3b jammed 45hh on that KJ6 hhh board when I flopped top set so the question becomes is he ever doing this with A X or worse than Kc/Qc flush. I just think calling with J high flush is about the only flush we can justify since we block AJ so really only A3 A6(unlikely) and 33 fill up. I also think he would bet most of his A X(Q,K,10) hands on the turn, but he's certainly checking his boats and flush draws back on the turn as well. I like bet folding in these situations to obtain value, but when I'm 3b I typically fold. However I felt this villain could potentially be jamming with worse, and my flush is quite under-repped.

Excited to hear your takes

Your cbet should be much smaller in the KK hand because it's difficult for your opponents to give you value with much. Also you want to be able to make small bluff cbets here.

On to the main hand: fold the river. I know LLSNL villains tend to overplay their small flushes, but this board is super scary for a small flush and villain raised pre, so he probably doesn't have a smaller flush anyway. I'm more concerned that he's overplaying AK, but that doesn't seem likely either.

I think a more interesting question is whether you should even bet the river. It seems automatic, but run through the possibilities of why villain checked turn:

- Because the flop raise was a bluff, like maybe he has KQss or something. In that case, we want to check.
- Because he had a flush draw. In that case, betting doesn't accomplish a lot because if we bet he (probably) calls and if we check he bets. So either way, one bet goes in.
- Because he filled up on the turn. In this case betting can't help us really, I guess we get to pick the sizing but meh.

Got any other possibilities of what villain might have to raise flop and check turn? Cause I don't, and in all the cases above, it doesn't accomplish anything to bet river.

Not a big deal but the misuse of 3bet is a little tilting, a 3b, as the name suggests, is a third bet. So when you bet the flop and they raise, it's just a raise. A reraise after that is a 3b. I think the confusion arises because preflop, the blind counts as a bet, so then it goes raise, 3b.

My bad for misuse of 3b. Typos. I've been up for 22 hours. I agree with you, I don't think there's much reason to call either. As for betting river, I think we can obtain value out of weaker flushes that bluff raised flop... I think most smaller flushes would check back river given board texture, and got there on river. Also, we obtain value out of A X if V was foolish enough to check back turn with said hand, which I am certain would check back

I call all day here and expect to be good 75+% of the time. Really not concerned at all about being behind.

What are you expecting villain to have?

3bet pre
X/call flop
X/call turn
Calling river and losing to a/j or 33

Well I doubt anyone is raising to $7 in a 1/2 game with small suited connectors from MP. So his preflop raising range is probably going to be pocket pairs and broadways. Most live players also dont raise anything less than 88 or so. Holding the JT we know that kinda pushes his range more into the higher PP territory and big broadways, KQ+ type hands.

Why did you lead into him on the flop? What are you hoping to accomplish? You want him to fold or something? Did you forget he raised and therefore has the initiative? How do you know he doesnt have AA? You realize all you do by donkbetting is either make a worse hand fold or a better hand call/raise you. So now you got raised, what have you learned about his hand strength? Nothing really, other than it's probably decent.

So he checks the turn when the board pairs. This is pretty standard when someone is trapping or at minimum drawing to a good hand. A flush hits, the board is paired, you've donked into him acting like you have a big hand, and he jams anyway. We also know the last time he jammed he had a flush, so it looks like he probably plays pretty standard and just bets/raises/jams for value.

Your problem is that you shouldn't be leading the flop and especially not the river.

My games have a high spazz factor. He could have any KQx, a high PP or complete air and just 'doesn't put you on an A'. Could have any weak to moderate J. Also any A who thinks they turned the nuts w/ trips. I don't see him checking back turn with a boat but of course that could be in there as well. Any KQx also includes KQc in which case I pay the man and really don't worry too much about it.

What is the reason we are donk betting less than half pot on the flop? This is a pretty great flop for our hand, I'd rather c/c or even c/r than donk. Not only that but it makes it harder to range villain after he raised you because we've bet so small. Hand is hard to decipher after that.

As played I'd fold river. Did he really raise your flop bet with 78s or 45s? Probably not, most of the lower club combos that you beat probably don't either. I think the only range you're beating on the river is Ax which decided to jam for some reason. Again, you bet $40 into about $90. Such a small bet. Hard to say if villain would feel he'd be jamming for value with say AK. In the future I'd rather see a bet of $60 or so to confidently bet/fold.

Only reason to donk the flop is if you're planning on 3b'ing the flop.

I can make a case to b/3b flop or c/r flop.

As you played up to the river, I'm either b/f river or c/c river.

3bet pre

I'd call and be more worried about losing to a bigger flush than a boat

Against opponent described 3! And be commited on flop

3b or call pre, both seem ok.

I'm c/r this flop all day vs this particular villain.

River lead is not good at all imo. Easy c-c.

As played we have to be good 1 in ~4. He has KcQc and maybe 10 combos of boats (A3s/AJ/33/JJ/AA). If he has a lot of SC'ers and gappers like 9c8c or 6c4c we might beat just enough to call here. But that is a pretty wide opening range for MP so folding is probably best.