1/2/5 NLHE

hero has winning LAG image, rarely shows down losing hand, best player at table

no detail on villians for this post, at least not yet...

hero stack is appx $165, all villians cover...

UTG opens to $18, 4 callers, hero looks down at 42, hero calls (questionable yes)

flop $104

T98

hero?

Fold twice.

How do you only have 165?

grunch
fold pf
c/f otf

SCs and 1 gappers are for IP play only. There is no correct lines playing them oop in a raised pot.
C/C if given the proper POT odds can be one approach. C/F if not. Even at the 1/2 level is is not common for flop bets to allow FDs to play profitably.

$165 as the biggest stack in 1/2/5????? Call 10% of your stack OOP with 24s and your the best player? This must be a home game. Can I come?

it's 1/2 blinds, 5 to come in, so maybe that's not really "1/2/5" I don't know...

anyway, yes it's private/home/club game, whatever you want to call it... me saying i'm the best player is based on the fact that i'm the only one beating the game...which is not saying much as the players are dreadfully bad...

anyway, i realize the call PF was questionable, however the reason I made this thread is because I wasn't sure what to do on the flop. Any bet I made would commit me to the pot and probably wouldn't get anyone to fold anything resembling a hand anyway...


while everyone seems to be saying my call PF was bad, and in part I agree, keep in mind I had to call 16 for a pot of 90, so getting over 5:1 on the call, with the idea that if I do make my hand, i'm winning AT LEAST another 147 or more, as I fully expect to 2x or 3x up on the hand given how this game plays...

that being said, if I stove this hand, using what I believe to be the villans accurate ranges (UTG has any pair, any broadway, all callers have any pair, any broadway, any SC) then i'm 12.78%...

I'm not good at the complex math, but here's how it "felt" during the game and how I see it now...

10% of the time I catch enough of this flop to play for the 90 in the pot, plus another $147 or more that's in my stack...

87% of the time, the board misses me completely (flop no pair, no draw) and I lose $16

2.x% of the time, the board appears to miss me completely, so I fold, but make the winning hand via some runner runner madness and I lose $16...

I feel like I'm trying really hard to rationalize this call, I just don't feel it was that much of a loser in the longrun given how well I know these opponents, and how well they know me...I would have never played this hand this way in a casino...

I just also just realized that i'm oversimplifying this, because there is a good amount of the time when I stack off here with a pair/draw whatever and lose the rest of my stack...

this is obviously what makes it a bad call PF...

for what it's worth, I ended this session after 14.25 hours +$2,360...

Let me see if I have this right? You're the best player, short stacked and the villains cover you? Then you tell us you hopped a raise with 42ss OOP?

Seriously?

You may be the best player in that game, but you would not do very well in a game with most posters here.

Even if I'm wrong about that, this forum has mostly TAG players who detest playing OOP. So, it isn't always the best place to get LAG advice - you kind of have to get lucky that the right people see your post.

Not worth anything tbh, you just sat short stacked and managed to spin it up.

Winning on one session definitely does not make you a good player.

As played jamming on flop is a good move if villains fold to u a majority of the time. I'm not sure about how often that is but someone else here will. My guess is not often enough since your playing LAG and probably showing hands like the one in this thread.

understandable that I'd get these sorts of criticism, and based on this hand, it's well deserved. I knew that playing this hand was a mistake when I did it, but doing so was far from "standard." It wasn't really a moment of weakness, but more of a "whatever" type of moment because I knew that a particular player was on his way that was guaranteed to lose at least 10K (he lost 13K that night)

so ya, it was a bad play PF and I realize it. I just am not used to finding myself in situations so bad on the flop because I literally had NO IDEA what to do there...nothing seemed correct. This is obviously because there really wasn't a correct move OOP with that stack and that hand because the mistake was made preflop...I realize this.

As to how I'd fare with the posters on this board...it doesn't really concern me. I'm fortunate enough to play in a twice weekly game where I'm light years ahead of the competition. When playing different games or casinos, I play much differently, rightly or wrongly.

And yes, I am aware that one session means nothing. I'm not dumb enough to think that $165/hr is the norm at 1/2/5.

This hand and this thread were good though because now I fully understand WHY it's such a mistake it is to gamble like this OOP/shallow.

I didn't sit short stacked, this was more of a goof off game until the whale showed up, at which point I topped up to $1K...but yes, I know one session is irrelevant.

+1

Both him and the man in the mirror would agree.

as would the guy who runs the game, the other players, and my record books...

why do i bother posting on here if i'm gonna get ****?

at no point did I say I was phil Ivey...but I am the best player in the game...in this case, it's like being the toughest kid in elementary school

Post a brag, get grief. That's all.

I reckon this discussion has run it's course. Lock it up, I say

Grunch

You have to commit here and shove. You played 42s and flopped the draw you were looking for. Spr is basically 1 and any action commits you, so commit yourself and make the bet that you think will maximize fold equity. Shove all turns if you think something smaller on the flop maximizes fold equity.

Oh yeah, and fold this garbage pre 100% of the time.

Sorry to beat on a dead horse - but good players don't call UTG 9x raises in the BB with 24ss, with less than 100bb's. They also don't sit short.

OK, but since I don't think it was explained that well, perhaps you (the OP), could take the time to explain what you learned.

I agree. OP has seen that his pf play was bad and the semi-brag nature of the subsequent information is only going to encourage more derailing.