With a tight passive limper and a poster....obv value raising my AQo....
Get HU vs 31/17/6 overall loser on small sample ~100hds - given I dont think stats have converged and I am not familiar with all but the highest profile 2+2ers, I treat villian as aggroish unknown.

My question is by bet/shoving here am I turning TPTK into a bluff. I just dont see what villian can possibly have here that would c/r this flop other than a polarised range of sets/ semibluff draws and FOS air/ gutshot draws.

So should I be shoving here with so much dead money? As I think value is pretty slim to KQ's and QJ's etc


Poker Stars $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 29505
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): $400.00
UTG: $410.80
UTG+1: $203.90
MP1: $357.40
MP2: $414.00
CO: $238.65
BTN: $400.00
SB: $388.00

CO posts a big blind ($4)

Pre Flop: ($10.00) Hero is BB with Q A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $4, 2 folds, CO checks, 1 fold, SB calls $2, Hero raises to $24, 2 folds, SB calls $20

Flop: ($56.00) Q 3 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $36, SB raises to $100, Hero raises to $376 all in

Please help a micro donk testing mid stakes games out.

Thanks in advance.

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Open to any criticism

cheers dog.

This is not a bluff. This is a value shove. Whether or not it's a good value shove depends on what villains stats are.

What sort of metric should I be judging the worth of this value shove RP?

Well stats would help you pin down his range a bit. It's a good shove if there is a lot of air/naked draws and worse queens in his range. If not, then not so much. I should also clarify that this isn't a bluff because there isn't a single better hand that is going to fold after he puts in over a fourth of his stack.

why do you think its a bluff? there is certainly not one better hand that is folding. he either has a set or a fd and the shove would be 4value against the flush draw. (he would only raise a worse Q here if he was completely braindead). but since the fd is the only draw and given the pf action (complete/call) this is a set like 80% and i would just fold the flop without further reads

vs a blind filler 31/17/6? I think he checks raises alot of stuff there not just sets 80%....just not sure if I am just folding out worse hands

Against some dumbass unknown this looks pretty standard

BINGO

I think you need a better understanding of what a bluff is.

Yes my bad.

What I was trying to say - was I dont think many worse hands call me. So I was questioning what my options were.
I dont think I can flatcall the c-r because I need to protect my hands value on a two flush board. And I think its too much risk - to let him keep the rope.
But unless villian is a tard or views me as a maniac - I think I am crushed most of the time I am called or at best flipping a draw.

Is this just folding out air or worse hands?

Am I thinking about the hand the right way?

Or is it just standard HU play with position vs limp(blind filler)/caller

Did he fold?

Against this villain the only real doubt is between shoving for value or calling to induce. I prefer the shove option, he can pay us with worse hands or fold a draw incorrectly.

I don't get what you mean by turning it into a bluff?

Without a good read it is an easy fold. There is nothing worth raising on the board then a set, which has you beat or he thinks your full of air...

I think you can discard QQ with a pre-flop limp/call unless he's really tricky. So, either your way ahead against KQ/QJ or your behind a set. You need a read to tell the difference (good odds for set mining given the stacks), in these cases it's about pot control. If you raise 3/4-pot and he comes back at you with a raise he needs to have it etc etc etc

What was the outcome?