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400NL: Turn paired, villain overbet shoved, should I make hero call?

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11-25-2008 , 05:31 AM

ranka

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SB: 21/4/2 ~ 70 hands. So I think he is not solid.

Poker Stars $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP1: $314.50
MP2: $61.30
CO: $559.45
BTN: $193.40
SB: $371.10
BB: $400.00
Hero (UTG): $406.00
UTG+1: $535.60

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is UTG with 9

Hero raises to $16, 5 folds, SB calls $14, 1 fold

Flop: ($36.00) T

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $28, SB raises to $64, Hero calls $36

Turn: ($164.00) 6

(2 players)
SB bets $291.10 all in, Hero ???

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11-25-2008 , 06:42 AM

Delphi

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Tempting. I wouldn't be surprised to see something like 7c5c or 8c9c

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11-25-2008 , 06:44 AM

ranka

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He can't have 8c9c...

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11-25-2008 , 06:52 AM

DoubleFly

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I usually only call this with history, altho the oberbet does see very fishy. Bad way to play a boat. You were UTG raiser so overpairs are in your range (so probably not a T). So either a 6 or some poorly played FD? Close, but I probably fold for now until I can identify his species of fish.

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11-25-2008 , 08:25 AM

RosaParks

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lol @ fish thinking about ranges. I would be worried about the 10 more than the 6. I think you will see strangely slow played overpairs and overplayed 10's here too much to call. If i had JJ or even like A10 i would never fold.

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11-25-2008 , 08:35 AM

soah

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I was going to say yes until I actually looked at the hand and realized you were behind before the turn card and it didn't improve you.

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11-25-2008 , 12:03 PM

13_Xerxes

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Small hand, small pot. I probably fold the flop when I make a pot size bet on this board. If he got a flush draw with one over, you are only 50-50.

Once you call the flop, why do you want to fold the turn ? Very few fishes can CR with a 6, but the draws are still here.

So : "b/f flop", or "b/c, call turn".

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11-25-2008 , 01:28 PM

WireySpinde11

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Yeah, I probably fold here. You're going to run into a Ten or slowplayed over pr so often here, and this type of player really isn't the type to play their draws hard and fast.

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11-25-2008 , 02:23 PM

coordi

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sadly he has Tx a majority here, if you didnt have the 9c i would like a call more but even then he probably has Tx a majority

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11-25-2008 , 04:06 PM

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AllTheCheese

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No, fold. A 21/4 can easily have JJ+ here. Ten x sometimes. Not to mention they usually flat flush draws on the flop.

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11-25-2008 , 04:38 PM

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Moke

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Fold flop. No reason to play for stacks with a marginal hand vs an unknown fish.

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11-26-2008 , 12:21 AM

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WireySpinde11

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Also keep in mind that the fact you have the 9 of clubs drastically cuts down the # of combo draws.

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11-26-2008 , 02:47 AM

#13

irunsogoot

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who cares tbh

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11-26-2008 , 04:56 AM

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ranka

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Yeah, thanks guys. I always forgot to add big overpairs in their hand range when they flat the flop.
I insta called and he had cowboys.

Thank you for comments.

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11-26-2008 , 11:27 AM

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13_Xerxes

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Add note to ranka666 : "SP Big pairs PF vs him. Station with any pair on drawy/low coordinated board.".

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11-26-2008 , 12:26 PM

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ranka

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Originally Posted by 13_Xerxes

Add note to ranka666 : "SP Big pairs PF vs him. Station with any pair on drawy/low coordinated board.".

It's TRUE if you are fish, but it's wrong vs regulars.

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11-26-2008 , 12:52 PM

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GoMukYaSelf

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SB checks, Hero bets $28, SB raises to $64

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SB: 21/4/2

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not a bruff

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11-27-2008 , 07:01 AM

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lionking130

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ranka,
u should ask yourself why u play on tilt.

this is very very easy fold and i think u were tilting if u called.

99 could be great agasint river overshoves in some situations etcetc but here no.....

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11-27-2008 , 08:06 AM

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ranka

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Originally Posted by lionking130

I don't never play on tilt! NEVER! Today I raised /w KK to $16 and after that I felt that I am tilty and closed the table without seeing the results.

EDIT: It's overthinking not tilt.

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11-27-2008 , 08:10 AM

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lionking130

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hehe...

btw overthinking has same consequences as tilt

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11-27-2008 , 11:43 AM

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13_Xerxes

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Calling the flop and fold the turn is terrible. Calling flop and calling turn is logical.

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