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07-16-2008 , 11:19 PM

WireySpinde11

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Was a bit confused in this spot. UTG+1 is 17/10/2, MP3 is 18/7/0.82. Any advice appreciated.

iPoker Network No-Limit , $4.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP1 ($403.00)
MP2 ($317.74)
MP3 ($110.00)
HERO ($534.40)
Button ($289.75)
SB ($396.00)
BB ($436.00)
UTG ($317.83)
UTG+1 ($396.00)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[

], 4[

].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $4, 2 folds, MP3 calls $4, HERO calls $4, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($18) Q[

], 4[

], K[

] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $18, MP3 calls $18, HERO raises to $74, UTG+1 pushes All-In, MP3 calls, HERO?

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07-16-2008 , 11:26 PM

AllTheCheese

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Fold.

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07-17-2008 , 03:32 AM

BT2

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fold preflop

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07-17-2008 , 03:45 AM

WireySpinde11

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Originally Posted by BT2

fold preflop

Wow, even with position in a multi way pot?

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07-17-2008 , 05:31 AM

BT2

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Originally Posted by WireySpinde11

Wow, even with position in a multi way pot?

so you would fold if it was not a multiway, but because it is you are calling?

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07-17-2008 , 11:18 AM

WorldsBiggestNit

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Fold. Chances of a combo draw are lower since it looks like MP3 is on some sort of draw. Also, fold pre.

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07-17-2008 , 11:53 AM

WireySpinde11

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Originally Posted by BT2

so you would fold if it was not a multiway, but because it is you are calling?

Heh, yeah, essentially. Unless opponent is loose, has a high WTSD. But now that I've been thinking about it, it makes weak 2 prs, and you have to stack off to the A high flush... so Kxs is a hand most people fold outright?

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07-18-2008 , 01:33 AM

Kelisitaan

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You played this fine assuming you call the all in

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07-18-2008 , 03:23 PM

Ray Zee

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learn more about starting hands.

then dont listen to others telling you to fold this on the flop without considering how little money mp3 has.

then dont break your finger hitting the call button too hard.

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07-18-2008 , 03:48 PM

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TucoRamirez

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

I'm pretty sure mp3 isn't the player we're worried about. This is a pretty easy fold.

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07-18-2008 , 03:50 PM

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Kelisitaan

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Originally Posted by TucoRamirez

I'm pretty sure mp3 isn't the player we're worried about. This is a pretty easy fold.

LOL...don't kid yourself, if UTG had a set, he wouldn't bet the flop...same with KQ. The fact that you'd even consider folding this means your hand reading skills are subpar

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07-18-2008 , 03:57 PM

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TucoRamirez

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Originally Posted by Kelisitaan

LOL...don't kid yourself, if UTG had a set, he wouldn't bet the flop...same with KQ. The fact that you'd even consider folding this means your hand reading skills are subpar

Your hand reading skills are subpar if you don't think people lead this flop with KQ.

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07-18-2008 , 03:58 PM

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Kelisitaan

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Originally Posted by TucoRamirez

Your hand reading skills are subpar if you don't think people lead this flop with KQ.

They don't...they check minraise it, or c/c an then c/r the turn.

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07-18-2008 , 04:02 PM

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TucoRamirez

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Originally Posted by Kelisitaan

They don't...they check minraise it, or c/c an then c/r the turn.

Stars players must be more trappy than FT players.

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07-18-2008 , 04:50 PM

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AllTheCheese

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Originally Posted by TucoRamirez

Stars players must be more trappy than FT players.

They aren't. Keli's just an ass.

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07-18-2008 , 07:16 PM

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The only hand he has you crushed with here is KQ and possibly a QQ he was planning to limp/reraise. On the other hand, he has like ten billion draws in his range, and also could be spazzing out with a limped AK/AA. His overbet shove makes me think he's probably looking to fold you out, so I'd call.

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07-22-2008 , 02:02 AM

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WireySpinde11

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Thanks for all the advice guys. He ended up having 44. two pair is something I feel like I struggle with in full ring games.

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07-26-2008 , 12:21 AM

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ChipRick

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i call this....combo draws or badly played AA

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