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400NL - Thin Value Spot With QQ On River? 400NL - Thin Value Spot With QQ On River?

08-01-2008 , 09:36 AM
This guy has been running 28/17/12 over about 50 hands, he has 3bet my open 4 times already (he folded the time I 4bet). He seems to have a serious case of FPS and loves action. Pre-flop the opener is xxTarjei82xx, who I don't mind flatting with QQ in position anyways, but to have this goose behind me makes me think it is the optimal play. I can see him calling with a hand like JJ/TT here, but I think he probably would have squeezed with them pre. Happy just to check it back or do you think he convince himself of a hero call with something really light here? I would say it is extremely unlikely that he plays any hand that beats us like this.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $109
SB: $444.70
BB: $108.30
UTG: $442.20
UTG+1: $216
MP1: $467.55
MP2: $262.85
Hero (CO): $613.30

Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, MP1 raises to $12, MP2 folds, Hero calls $12, BTN folds, SB calls $10, BB calls $8

Flop: ($48) 7 7 4 (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $34, SB calls $34, 2 folds

Turn: ($116) A (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($116) 3 (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero
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08-01-2008 , 09:52 AM
I'd raise that one preflop, but thats off topic.

I think you're probably ahead here, seems like villian has a small to mid pocket pair. I'd value bet that river for like 70$ and fold to raise of course.
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08-01-2008 , 10:56 AM
bet 80 or so.
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08-01-2008 , 01:56 PM
i would bet a bit less like 65$
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08-01-2008 , 05:42 PM
I would always re-raise pre there to further define the hands
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08-01-2008 , 08:17 PM
Nice to see how polarized your range is preflop.
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08-01-2008 , 09:48 PM
I'd pot it so that he puts you on nuts or air and then eliminates nuts due to the turn check.
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08-02-2008 , 09:02 PM
bet $120 so it looks like a bluff
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08-03-2008 , 05:21 AM
Easy Value bet. Make it $75.
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08-04-2008 , 12:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by guaranteedBluff
bet 80 or so.
I like this bet
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08-04-2008 , 04:21 AM
christ, flatting pre is fine

bet turn
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08-05-2008 , 12:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
christ, flatting pre is fine

bet turn
Please explain why the turn should be bet? That means you are going for value of lower pairs and that is indeed a better question on the river. turn check is the only option imo.

I do not believe in value as indeed he would squeeze you with JJ TT so you only wish for a call of 88 and 99 which is 0.9% of the hands. He is so loose pf that he could certainly an ace. Only A4 is already 1.2% of the hands and he might be oop floating with an other ace once in a while. So my guess is that you have been looked up by an ace.
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08-05-2008 , 01:30 PM
b/f against somebody aggressive here is ******ed. if you bet he's going to call with maybe JJ and TT, and bluff the rest.
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08-05-2008 , 04:15 PM
ayke he probably bets ace high on the flop or checks folds. he probably thinks we check down with ace high. Therefore turn ace doesn't change anything about our ranges and only serves to make us look bluffier and get called down really lightly. There's more value on turn than on river, period.

effang, rofl i doubt anyone is going to go for a super ambitious c/c ch/ch c/r line at FULL RING where as we all well know everyone is a nits. Betting/folding here is fine and standard, we aren't playing against patrik antonious.
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08-06-2008 , 08:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BT2
bet $120 so it looks like a bluff
That !

Or 24$/call
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08-06-2008 , 08:39 AM
raise PF, bet flop, c/r turn, c/r river, lolll
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08-06-2008 , 08:39 AM
orrrrrrrrrrrrrrr u can flat call river
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08-07-2008 , 10:51 AM
75
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