Playing 2/4 NL with a stack of $800 which most of my opp's have covered, I pick up KK in MP. An EP limps for 4 and I raise to 16.

CO, Btn, SB and EP all call for a pot of around 80.

Flop is KT2

MP checks, I bet 40. CO, SB and EP call. Pot is now 200, and I have $744 left.

The turn is A

MP checks, my play?

Obviously there's only one K left, so what are they calling with? The only obvious draw is QJ, and possible gutters like AJ and AQ. They could also have a slow-played two pair or set. Should I bet (thereby risking my stack if I get raised), or just check/call any reasonable bet and re-evaluate on the river?

If players are flatting the QJ nut straight draw then you need to B/F or B/C depending on reraise odds sizing.

if vilains never raising without QJ on turn then its a pretty safe bet/ fold

I agree - bet/fold or bet/call depending on how much I get raised. Would you guys be betting about half pot here then?

The pot is $240 on the turn. There's just too much to get value and/or deny equity from, including AT-AQ, KT+, QT/JT. Since we're massively multiway, and unlikely to hold many bluffs here, we can justify using a smaller bet sizing in this position, too. I think a $100-120 bet is a good choice.

If we held KT, I like a check a lot more.

We are deep so i dont mind going big 2/3 - 3/4 pot to set up a jam on the river

I like a x call

Some nitty comments here, you guys are really folding second set here?

on a checkraise some villains could be bluffing that ace, betting two pair (at, a2) or sets (22, tt) for 14 combos.

Do you have the king of spades? If not, turn bets have a lot more combos of spade draws (kqs, kjs, k9s) and other spades (jts, j9s, t9s, qts) for about 7 more combos.

That's 21 combos you beat, plus any other random hands depending on how spewy villains are (AJo, Aq, a9) for 24 combos.

QJ has 16 combos so if conservative we'll say about 35 combos you beat (taking half of the ax hands) 16 you lose to, that's not too bad. And we can improve to best hand on river 20% of the time. (actually about 23%)

I'm bet - calling

Tons of hands picked up equity there. We functionally have the second nuts, and lots of hands that want to/might jam for value we crush, all the sets and two pair. There are also tons of hands that are now combo draws. We should never be folding here unless v's are crazy crazy nits. ^es's post, I also think that's overestimating the number of qj, a lot of the qjo combos shouldn't get here, and some proportion are x/r otf as well.

I think x/jam is actually best. I think we're getting stacks vs those 2p/sets in most cases anyways, although a dirty river could slow the action. I think if we bet, combo draws likely just call, and then fold rivers where their draws don't hit, leaving us in sticky spots on j, q, and spade rivers. If we check, I think all of the 2p/sets/and most combo draws bet here, and a lot of them have to pay off the jam, depending on sizing and their stacks.

Smh what’s up with some of the advice itt

Agreed. We get value from so many hands here and only lose to QJ. But wait...we can boat up. I'm bet/calling too. I'm not expecting to see AA very often here either.

Bet folding would be ridiculous

Bet $100 on this turn with the intention of betting $250 on clean rivers. If he raises call and evaluate river. I mean if he straight up jams it's really close.

this seems like one of those hands where GTO guys just stack off cuz 'you can never fold here' but I would not be happy if I got raised on this turn. Folding does seem way too nitty though and if this checks through its a disaster. Tough spot I really dont know what Id do. Maybe bet 3/4 pot and if raised really try to get a live read? If no one raises me Im going for max value on river though. If someone slow played QJ then tip my cap, here ya go

Gto has nothing to do with it. Kk is way to good to check and if you get raised sure qj is in there but here can have worse for value and and you have equity vs qj anyway so it’s just a spot where you bet big (75%-90%) and if you get raised
You just call and hopefully you don’t lose - and with regard to your last point is you are never really getting raised on akx as the pfr for obvious reasons so you are always getting slowplayed anyway

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only question for me is how much we bet here...

i’m going $175 but i’m sure there’s an argument for a smaller size. I just think opponents will react similarly to a $100-120 bet, so we may want to get value now while we can. full pot probably folds out too many middling hands

So we're firing full pot and then calling an all in raise? What are we hoping to be up against here? With the kings all but dead, I guess the only hand we beat would be pocket 10s. I just think we've shown so much strength here, basically repping AA or KK and someone else wants to shove more money in. Although I will also agree that we're too strong to bet fold. So im honestly not sure what Id do, but betting full pot and calling an all in would not be it

$150/call