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400NL QQ 200bb, donked into 3 streets, protected pot 400NL QQ 200bb, donked into 3 streets, protected pot

12-18-2008 , 12:09 AM
Sorry about the no hand converter, I copied the wrong HH and wasn't tracking. Villain seems pretty tight, but not really any other reads besides that. Are you calling flop or shoving to isolate vs all in? The turn and river I'm pretty lost on. I can't see many worse hands that bet the turn, especially in a protected pot, but folding is out of the question because he probably bets some worse hands/almost getting direct odds to call.

Stage #1158793799: Holdem No Limit $4 - 2008-12-17 22:31:04 (ET)
Table: WINSLOW PL (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 7 - MLTMLT ($747.40 in chips)
Seat 8 - 66CON ($266.50 in chips)
Seat 9 - _MR SMOOTH_ ($156 in chips)
Seat 3 - 7IHATEPOKER7 ($811.30 in chips)
Seat 4 - RAM20INCH ($284.80 in chips)
Seat 5 - XELLOS_YG ($794 in chips)
Seat 6 - MICKEYZEE ($842 in chips)
66CON - Posts small blind $2
_MR SMOOTH_ - Posts big blind $4
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to MICKEYZEE [Qh Qd]
7IHATEPOKER7 - Calls $4
RAM20INCH - Folds
XELLOS_YG - Calls $4
MICKEYZEE - Raises $26 to $26
MLTMLT - Folds
66CON - Folds
_MR SMOOTH_ - Calls $22
7IHATEPOKER7 - Calls $22
XELLOS_YG - Calls $22
*** FLOP *** [8d 6c 9c]
_MR SMOOTH_ - Checks
7IHATEPOKER7 - Checks
XELLOS_YG - Bets $50
MICKEYZEE - Calls $50
_MR SMOOTH_ - All-In(Raise) $130 to $130
7IHATEPOKER7 - Folds
XELLOS_YG - Calls $80
MICKEYZEE - Calls $80
*** TURN *** [8d 6c 9c] [Qc]
XELLOS_YG - Bets $225
MICKEYZEE - Calls $225
*** RIVER *** [8d 6c 9c Qc] [5s]
XELLOS_YG - All-In $413
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12-18-2008 , 01:30 AM
Your opponent doesn't look very strong, probably a drawy hand. I shove flop to isolate. As played it looks like you're stuck calling down. Shipping turn is probaby better than calling though.
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12-18-2008 , 12:17 PM
ship the turn imo... as played you have to call this river you cant fold with these odds
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12-18-2008 , 07:52 PM
I know Xellos very well...he has a set here like 99% of the time, so just ship it in on the turn. As played, the river shouldn't help him anyway, so snap it off and beat his 66.
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12-19-2008 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kos13
I know Xellos very well...he has a set here like 99% of the time, so just ship it in on the turn. As played, the river shouldn't help him anyway, so snap it off and beat his 66.
Then he's never semi-bluffing the flop and we should fold the flop then? He probably doesn't show up with 710 very often, but I assume he would play 57 the same way too. But I was looking for a more non-read-specific answer because I didn't have this read at the time, but it will help me in the future when I play him.

Vs unknown:
I am getting about 3.29:1 odds on the river, so I have to be good about 23% of the time.
I assume he never bluffs the river and is always going to be v-betting. Is there really enough worse hands in his v-bet range to call it off here?
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12-20-2008 , 12:34 AM
Looks like a set, but without a specific read how can you discount AKs/AQs/AJs or a hand like 77 or 57? If the pot odds were closer to 2-1 it may be an easier fold, but 3.3-1 is tough.

Shoving flop is complete spew given stack sizes.
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12-20-2008 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mickeyzee
Then he's never semi-bluffing the flop and we should fold the flop then?
Nah...he's not some 9/3 nit who only bets with sets. But when he fires the turn, too, I think he has 66 a ton of the time, so I fist pump as I shove. If he has 75s this time, good for him.
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12-26-2008 , 06:29 PM
set
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