Don't have a ton of history with either villain in this hand, but I'm pretty sure they're both regs and I haven't seen either of them get out of line. The only way I can see myself being ahead on the river is if he played an underset terribly, which I don't see happening too often, but I am getting 3-1. Can I justify a call here?

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UTG+2: $1091.20
MP1: $894.70
MP2: $400.00
Hero (CO): $1795.10
BTN: $432.00
SB: $210.80
BB: $252.10
UTG: $681.00
UTG+1: $1074.90

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is CO with 8 8
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $12, MP1 calls $12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $48, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls $36, MP1 calls $36

Flop: ($150.00) 4 5 8 (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $104, UTG+2 calls $104, MP1 calls $104

Turn: ($462.00) 3 (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $260, UTG+2 requests TIME, UTG+2 folds, MP1 requests TIME, MP1 calls $260

River: ($982.00) 2 (2 players)
MP1 bets $482.70 all in, Hero pukes and

surely there aren't many aces or sixes in his range. Maybe 67? I'm not folding.

I agree with there not being that many aces, but I think he could also have 66 or 65s here possibly. It's a narrow range, obviously, but so is the range of hands I can beat here. I'm ahead of what, a strangely played 44 or 55? I don't expect overpairs to ever take this line and turn themselves into a river bluff, since I can legitimately have a number of aces in my range, and there aren't really any worse hands I can see taking this line for value.

Busted flush draw??

oh vomit. 2 is a good barrel card for him so dunno, 3:1, Im pretty sure I don't fold here as played. Let's not level ourself to a fold. If i can comment on the line I think I bet the turn bigger multiway. the 3 is a pretty safe card since 67 was made on the flop and the 3 puts draws out there. If we got cooled with 67 then shrug. So $360 maybe. Don't see A2 or 62 after 4x 3bet pre and 2/3 pot bet on flop. Definately more puke call than fistpump call.

Does he have any combos of diamonds in his range that play the flop and turn this way that we beat other than maybe exactly 75?

Clever, not to thread jack but your avitar is rad. where is it from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhHhXukovMU

what are you doing preflop?

call, not many Ax or 6x combos, zzz

I have position on two players deep, squeezing here with 88 instead of calling some percentage of the time surely can't be bad unless I have a read that one of them will be 4-betting me light.

I don't disagree with this, but how many combos of hands does he play this way that I'm ahead of? His bluff range in this spot is basically nothing and the range of worse hands he plays this way for value is also suuuper narrow, unless I'm misreading things.

If you fool around with pokerstove, you will see how close it is. Your really unlikely to get a definitive answer here. Its really dependent on how often he plays his sets like this, how often he is calling 56,67 pre and if he even ever has other 6x in his range. Even taking 2 combos of 44 or 55 from his range changes it from a call to a fold when I was playing around with it. I suggest you fool around with it, adding in A6dd, 56dd, the 67s or whatever and see how it changes it.

It's gross but a fairly clear fold imo.

How do you find squeezing 88? Don't think I've ever tried it myself, might be good to add in with a polarized range.

Thanks. Unfortunately, villain is a reg who is fairly unknown to me, so I guess I can't pin his range down enough to know for sure whether or not a call would have been good (I ended up folding). I'm pretty sure I can remove at least some, if not most, combos of 55 or 44 from his range though, because I can't see why he would jam the river with either to get called by all better hands and no worse ones when he could check/call and at least pick off some bluffs once in awhile.

I don't do it myself often either, but when you have position this deep I don't think it can be bad to squeeze with just about anything.

Yea, that's the thing, you probably wont be able to pin his range down enough to get an answer since if hes doing it with sets 50% of the time it may be a call, if he is doing it with his sets 33%, it turns into a fold. With spots like these, they may seem interesting at first, but then you realize how close they are and the decision approaches 0 ev. So in the end, spending huge amounts of time worrying about them is a waste of time. Gameflow and how he views you, how nitty or bluffy he is would be the thing to sway me either way here to call or fold.

If you're going to squeeze do it with something that has better implied odds, not a hand in which you essentially turn into a bluff for 3 streets if you miss your 2 outs.

flat pre if you aren't comfortable playing marginal hands in bloated pots deep. and fold

His turn play is confusing but based on that, the preflop and flop play, I call here whilst crying in my soup !

unlikely he has AA or 66, prolly 44, 55 or trips of turn card, if he is playing say Ax7x, Ax Xx or 6x7x the turn is where he would show up with a lead unless his hand is exactly say Ad7d or 6d7d,

horrid spot but I have to call here

we have straights in our range...

Any1 here like to cb the turn?

As played I think you are behind but I'm not sure I'm good enought to fold with those odds.

we have top set in a 3b pot > 200 BBs deep when our range has almost 0 sets or huge hands... so no.

I think the solution to this hand revolves completely around what he perceives your range as.

this thread is going nowhere. we can't really answer this question. it has everything to do with villain's range and tendencies as well as your own perceived range and tendencies. I think we can all agree it's close.

so did you call? if not I can quit checking to see if you've given results

I tanked and ended up folding. I feel pretty confident now that it was the right play, because I just have a really hard time seeing him taking this line with a worse set. And yeah, I agree that it would really help to know villain's range and tendencies here, but as I said, we didn't have much history, so I didn't really know anything about him beyond that he seemed to be a TAG reg.